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gusonopa, not too long ago "carnets" *Carnet de Passages en Douane, were needed for the temporary importation of a foreign registered vehicle or motorcycle by a foreign tourist into several South American countries. The "carnet" was expensive, it cost a % value of the vehicle or motorcycle that the foreign tourist was to temporarily import into a foreign country. It consisted of a "deposit" assuring the vehicle or motorcycle would not be sold in country or remain in the country.
Below is the reference provided by DLbiten, he is always spot on.
What has not been mentioned here is that the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit has replaced the "carnet" the purpose is the same as stated below, the difference is a cash deposit is no longer required for the temporary importation of a vehicle or motorcycle into South American countries by a foreign tourist.
Grant and Susan Johnson and the HUBB played an important role in the replacement of the "carnet" by the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit in the last country of South America to require a "carnet." Based on their efforts the President of Ecuador replaced the "carnet" with the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit. This act indicated that the country of Ecuador "trusted" those being issued Temporary Vehicle Import Permits would not sell their vehicle or motorcycle in Ecuador. It is a "trust" that we of the HUBB take very seriously.
So, let us live up to the trust instilled in us by the President of Ecuador and let us live up to the trust instilled in us by every other South American country that issues Temporary Vehicle Import Permits. Let us abide by the regulations of the Temporary Vehicle Import Permits of South America by NOT selling our foreign registered vehicles or motorcycles illegally in any South American country that issues Temporary Vehicle Import Permits, and they all do.
*What is a Carnet de Passages en Douane?
"The Carnet guarantees to a foreign government that the vehicle it identifies, having been granted temporary importation status, will be removed from the country within the time limit imposed by the respective jurisdiction or if not, that the country will be paid all duties and taxes that would be required to permanently import the vehicle. Using the Carnet is an alternative to leaving cash security deposits with foreign governments. It allows free movement and unencumbered access between foreign countries. Use of the Carnet is restricted to the countries listed on the back cover. It is valid for one year from date of issue." Canadian Automobile Association
For more discussion on the topic of Temporary Vehicle Import Permits "Chris" has established a new thread entitled:
"Possible relevant information on selling a vehicle in South America"
located in the forum: TRAVEL Bikes for Sale / Wanted
We of the HUBB, having been partly responsible for the President of Ecuador replacing the "carnet" with the much less cumbersome and much, much less expensive Temporary Vehicle Import Permit, have a special obligation to abide by the regulations of all Temporary Vehicle Import Permits issued by all South American countries.
Let us abide by the regulations of the Temporary Vehicle Import Permits of South America by NOT selling our foreign registered vehicles or motorcycles illegally in any South American country that issues Temporary Vehicle Import Permits, and they all do.
Unless I missed something, nobody was suggesting to do otherwise. In fact, the original poster never wrote anything on this thread about selling his vehicle. His questions related to the Carnet.
After DLbiten answered gusonopa's question #1, question #2 seemingly became mute,
But upon reading carliO's correct response "for South America a Carnet is not necessary" and now knowing that gusonopa was advised by DLbiten of the intent of the Carnet de Passages en Douane, it occurred to me that gusonopa and others who are contemplating tours of South America might be misled into believing that the "intent" of the "carnet" (to prevent foreign tourists from selling their foreign registered vehicle or motorcycle in a South American country) might be lost by carliO's post.
The intent of the "carnet" was never abolished and is still in place in every South American country and the fact that the "carnet" is not required cannot be interpreted as "it is legal to sell my foreign registered vehicle or motorcycle in a South American country. The major difference between the carnet and the TVIP is that South American governments have decided to trust that foreign tourists will not violate the carnet /TVIP law, in lieu of requiring a cash deposit on the vehicle or motorcycle.
No, this is because of the establishment in every South American country of the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit, (TVIP) which carries the "intent" of the previously required "carnet."
I am sure you can understand my concern that readers, unlike yourselves, who have not yet ridden across a South American border might not understand that at each South American border the foreign tourist will be issued a (TVIP) that carries on the intent of the "carnet" prohibiting the sale of the foreign tourist's foreign registered vehicle or motorcycle in any South American country, without paying appropriate tariffs and registering the vehicle or motorcycle locally.
Once putting the TVIP on the table, I thought it more than appropriate to explain the Grant, Susan's and the HUBB role in the demise of the "carnet" in Ecuador.
Perhaps what you missed was gusonopa's question #3 :
"ill be tralvelling south america trough out(hopefully ) any sound advices??"
After having described the intent of the "carnet" is still the law in every South American country via the issuance of the TVIP at each border, the only logical advice I could think of - and still remain on topic- was to suggest to gusonopa and others that when touring South America:
"Let us abide by the regulations of the Temporary Vehicle Import Permits of South America by NOT selling our foreign registered vehicles or motorcycles illegally in any South American country that issues Temporary Vehicle Import Permits, and they all do."
Brian and Marie, I know this might be a shock to you, but even upon being presented with TVIP law that clearly prohibits foreign tourists from selling their vehicle or motorcycle entered into a South American country on a TVIP, (the same intent of the carnet), I have read posts on the HUBB advising fraudulent title transfers (by the laws of the State or country issuing title) and the "photoshopping" of legal documents, such as the TVIP. I was just as shocked as I am sure you are now.
I am sure the majority of foreign tourists who ride South America would not like to see the reinstatement of the "carnet" and the cash deposit, etc. so let's not allow the very few who conspire to break the TVIP law carry the day. Please abide by the laws first mandated by the carnet and now in force by the Temporary vehicle Import Permit.
I do hope I have answered your question about the relationship between a "carnet" and "selling a vehicle in South America.
I do hope I have answered your question about the relationship between a "carnet" and "selling a vehicle in South America.
Xfiltrate, I have yet to ask a question on this thread.
The only advice I have for you is the following; In case you decide to travel beyond the americas into countries that require the carnet you should know that it is possible to get one from the CAA (Canadian Automobile Association) if you are already abroad. We obtained ours while in Argentina. Everything was done via internet (payment and all) and regular mail. All told it took us no more than 2 weeks to get ours.
But as previously stated, they are not needed in south-america.
Matteo, O K, I thought your statement questioned if I might have wandered off topic or not. Guess you didn't.
Thanks for the data on the carnet.
But, the Americas are relatively new to me, I was raised in Tokyo, Japan, graduated HS in Ankara, Turkey, did undergraduate and graduate work in the United States and 2 summer graduate research projects at OKA, Ouebec and Algonquin, Ontario parks, lived in Nova Scotia for a while, and of course Spain, Elisa's country. I have only 12 years south of the U S border.
Oh, there I go answering a question you didn't ask agin. Sorry, but not only is the economy of Canada stronger than the economy of the United States, but in my opinion the Canadians are more friendly, as might be the case here. Sorry if I have offended you in any way.
Is the Nufie Bullet still running? If I put my bike on board, would it require a carnet?
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