Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > SOUTH AMERICA
SOUTH AMERICA Topics specific to South America only.
Photo by Ellen Delis, Lagunas Ojos del Campo, Antofalla, Catamarca

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Ellen Delis,
Lagunas Ojos del Campo,
Antofalla, Catamarca



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 9 Oct 2013
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: NSW Australia - but never there
Posts: 1,235
Buying a foreign registered vehicle in Argentina

and getting it out of the country.

Worked for me. May not work for you even following the same procedure.

Obviously not even 100% legal or honest but ...

Van came into Argentina several months ago and after getting only 3 month TIP at "notoriously" stingy Paso de jama, got an 8-month TIP at another border post. At my request - insistence - owner went to a lawyer and got a Power of Attorney drawn up giving me permission to drive the vehicle anywhere in Argentina and neighbouring countries. This was a three-page document, the last two pages being just the official stamps and serial numbers and bonafides of the lawyer. Cost me 800 pesos.

Owner left Argentina and arranged formal transfer of the vehicle registration (official keeper) in the UK and re-SORN-ed it in my name and sent me the paperwork in Australia.

I came to Argentina with liability insurance arranged in my name and drove (slowly) to Paso de Sico in NW Argentina where there is a nice new border post manned to the hilt to deal with all of a handful of crossings per day. They were very official and all details had to be exactly correct.

Short story was we were allowed to cross using the nearly-expired former owner's TIP, the PoA and a copy of the previous british registration papers - and of course had no problems entering Chile using just my official ownership papers.

Below is part of the email I sent to the original owners

Quote:
so we got to the Argentinian border post - brand new installation staffed by a heap of people from at least two government branches and given we saw only a couple of vehicles on the road the day before, bugger-all to do. Anyway, none of this immigratione and aduana separately stuff - one bloke - the first to change out of pyjamas into uniform given that even at 10am, the front door was held shut by two big boulders which I had great difficulty in pushing aside to get in - gestured for passports and then wanted the TIP and then the fun started.
Everyone got involved in the discussions right up to the senior staff on station - couple of ladies. Inside at the counter, in the hallway, and outside at the vehicle. Mini-conferences and consultations everywhere. Nobody there spoke a word of English - except the station mutt - nice dog - who managed woof-woof that I understood quite easily. Really nice dog given that Betty even allowed it to stand up on two legs and rest its head on her shoulder for ages until I pointed out that she was supposed to be allergic to dogs - and anyway, I was getting jealous.
All very polite and nice, but they had the key to the gate so ...
After half an hour the army guy - nice bloke, came out with a very gentle "disculpe senor, permissione por favour' and miming bits of paper and driving actions which in a flash of brilliance I finally pretended to understand and went out and got the power of attorney. Senior lady went through it word by word and page by page explaining it all to the junior staff and nodded and nodded. "¿problema?" I asked. No-no-no she said which was only slightly reassuring since they still had all the paperwork and the boom was still firmly down - and we were vastly outnumbered even though it appeared the dog was on our side - although the thought that he might have been a double agent had crossed my mind.

Then had to take in the laminated registration documents (of yours) and there were still problems because the vehicle type wasn't on it. Finally settled for casa rodante. They even went back through their ledger because they knew damn-well you had been through, but mustn't have got the date right, but I could see they came close - guessing they just wanted to get the details from that. A lot of the passport stuff that went into the ledger came off our USA long-term visas so goodness knows what they will make of some of the numbers and dates because they certainly won't match what is in the front page of the passports.
Anyway they had obviously gone right through your records and knew all of your movements and were only finally satisfied when I was able to give them a pretty close account (in mime and using just country and border post names) of your last three or four crossings.
Then came the return of our passports and the official barrier raising ceremony - at least half the staff - and the dog - out on the roadside to wave us goodbye - after the usual handshakes all-round. 90 minutes and we were the only customers. Guess they were all bored and needed an excuse to fire up the generator and warm up all their computers and communications gear which DID get a good workout.

So much for the easy-peasy 10 minutes and they won't even glance at the papers crap..

Stopped half way to San Pedro and stuck all the nationalistic identifyers - Aussie flag and kangaroo - stickers all over the vehicle to cover up all the faded paint where your stickers used to be.
Border at San Pedro and the inspection point at paso Sico (8 Chilean motorbikers and a support vehicle pulled up behind us) was no problem - immigration was just a matter of filling in the entry form and getting passports stamped and then bypassed the agricultural inspection because that had already been done at paso Sico, so Aduana lady just did her bit using my British registration papers and that was that.
Difficult to understand the reasoning behind the necessity to go through this dishonest process (which is obviously done every day) when it MUST be in the country's interest to set up a simple system where a traveller could register his intentions to sell the vehicle and the new owner could register his ownership and a note made in the computer file of the TIP. That way a fresh source of money comes into the country and starts spending it and everyone is better off. It would also allow a system to be implemented that would ensure the new owner does carry the proper insurances.

BTW the Aduana at San Pedro did NOT ask for proof of liability insurance which I see as just about criminal negligence on their part.
__________________
Tony
Click here for Travel Photos & Travel Map

Last edited by Tony LEE; 9 Oct 2013 at 20:25.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Buying and registering a motorcycle in Chile timyarb Trip Paperwork 16 2 Jan 2018 18:55
Provisions for driving in China. - facts. uk_vette West and South Asia 2 24 Jul 2014 07:58
Looking for some help in getting started TotalTomination SOUTH AMERICA 20 30 Oct 2009 17:02

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

HU Event and other updates on the HUBB Forum "Traveller's Advisories" thread.
ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

HUBBUK: info

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 21:28.