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Here`s a link to a topic on waffle ladders, the going rate from most 4x4 retailers (David Bower etc) is 90 odd quid a piece, but dirrect thru the manufacturer is about half the price making them a pretty good deal. http://pub88.ezboard.com/foffroaderr...icID=187.topic
They also supply the mounting clips as well, so all you need to do is mount some bolts backwards, fitted the ladders, clips and secure with some wing nuts, for ease of instillation.
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OK after much editting, and help from other forum users, the link is finally working, I hope it is of some help to someome out there.
I still think I should stick to landies and not computers, as at least on a landie its easy to trace one of their many leaks.
I've seen these panels at various off-road sites and I know they are quite heavy. They become even heavier when the perforations are packed with mud. I'd not want to leave a jerrycan of fuel or water at home to load two such panels.
Look at the link at the top of the thread. On that page you'll find an example of shipping charges for a given weight. The grid shown on the Fibregrid website that can be carried by hand must be of a different type/quality/grade than the ladders sold by David Bowyer and used by off-roaders.
OK lads here is the origional thread on the LRE forum before it went down, they are heavy but within reason, the size I would probably go for would be 38x310x1490 at 8.775kgs, but as the thread states the 38mm might not be up to the weight of a 110, especially heavily loaded as on an expedition, so maybe if you just used then as sand/mud ladders and not for bridging you could easily get away with the 25mm ones, which would only weigh in at 5.7kgs for the 25x310x1490, and I do agree full of mud they would be heavy but pressure cleaning them when the chance arrive wouldnt be a major problem, and if used in sand it wouldnt be a problem at all. Compared to the price of the grand erg ladder which only weigh 3odd kgs I dont think they are a bad deal. http://www.lrenthusiastforum.com/ubb...iew=&sb=&o=&fp
I've lost track of my metric conversion tables but 6 to 9 kilos doesn't sound too bad.
The old fashioned steel military ladders weigh 34 pounds each, and I think most alloy ones are about half that.
In my experience the aluminium ladders as popularised by the Camel Trophy and now manufactured new by German expedition equuipment suppliers Darr are as good as anything in the sand. However when it comes to mud or the need to brige over a rock or a tree stump they are next to useless.
'Waffles' pick up large quantities of mud which can triple the weight and are not easy to clean. They are also difficult to pick out of the mud or attach a strop or winch cable to.
We developed a solution which we sold under the ORCA brand which we called 'Ground Ladders'. These were not the lightest product in the world but to our minds presented the best of all worlds. Constructed as a ladder with 50x25x3mm RHS Steel sides and 25x25x1.5mm SHS rungs mounted at 45 degrees. Units were about 4ft long with rungs every 12 inches. They were capable of supporting a fully laden vehicle without bending. The rungs on the angle provided good traction for wheel climbing and were easy to attach a strop or winch cable for extraction.
Being made from box section they picked up very little mud so were of a consistent weight. In the sand they were effective at extracting vehicles but did tend to be buried after use. Not hard work to get them out but you needed to mark where you put them or tie them to the vehicle.
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