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uh oh... here come the cavalry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4749357.stm

If you have the bandwidth the secrets of the sands documentary is also worth a listen

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Fascinating... especially, for me, this piece "He says convincing the US of a terrorist threat in the Sahara has allowed the Algerians to shake off their pariah status and to obtain previously withheld military equipment from the US.".
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again, there might be terrorists... But for sure somewhere there is oil, and thats why cavalry is there!
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Well spotted Richard - very interesting.

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And of course a head of state is a legitimate head of state regardless of how he got there (corrupt elections, elimination of opposition, coup etc.) once he agrees to sell the black stuff to...
This purchased legitimacy is then used to invite the cavalry in to eliminate any possible further opposition or minority groups under the premise that they were terrorists...
I believe that Ould Taya has already been accused of this, But he's history and someone else will get their hands on Mori's oil money.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4137434.stm

Summary:

"So we still get the oil and the bases, right? That's OK then."

Once the black stuff starts to flow and the marines arrive in force (with the bonafide Jihadists soon after) it could be very bad news for the Sahel region. I suspect the route-planning on this site will be very different too.

Then again, perhaps I'm just being a pessimist? Now where did I see that nice 2nd hand compressor...
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Good point - the kidnappers probably were pious muslims, but no extreme salafists. Their way through Mali, Niger to Chad, the incidents and the "arrest" by Chadian rebels with a French TV interview a perfect show.

Algeria "won" the war against real islamists in the 90ies by infiltration of the armed groups and paid a heavy price - between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths...the level of what is acceptable there is, let's say, "very different" - do not think of anything to be "too dirty" in that region.

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www.flashpoints.net have a little piece on all this:

"the junta in Mauritania will keep close ties with Israel as well as the United States, which sent 1,000 troops or more to the oil-rich nation for the biggest US military exercise in Africa since WWII; but military and other operations in northern Africa are literally bringing the camel dung to hit American fans, courtesy of the trans-Atlantic Saharan dust storms"

More on the 'Wed 10th Aug' show or at:
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpeg...10-Wed1700.mp3
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So where is there left for us to go and play?
Greenlaning in the drizzle just isn't the same thing.
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It's a big desert ;-)

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It's a big desert ;-)

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Yes, but Chris, even you, with all your experience and pre-planning and fuel and water drops, found it very difficult and hard going off the beaten track. What about the rest of us mere mortals?

I for one wish the bloody yanks would butt out and stop trying to police the world under the guise of "The War against Terrorism".

Sorry for the rant, but ongoing news like this really annoys me.

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"The War against Terrorism" equals 'the war for black stuff' unfortunalely. And sice we all are using it, we all are a bit quilty of this war...
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It's a big desert ;-)

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Yes, but Chris, even you, with all your experience and pre-planning and fuel and water drops, found it very difficult and hard going off the beaten track. What about the rest of us mere mortals?

I for one wish the bloody yanks would butt out and stop trying to police the world under the guise of .

Sorry for the rant, but ongoing news like this really annoys me.

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Ok we're guilty of using it, if you don't consume you're no longer a worthy citizen.
Once upon a time some of the money you paid to fill up went to the people who ran the petrol station, and on into the community.

I get the impression there are people who want to stop that...

I for one will feel LESS safe wearing a white skin (not that I can choose) and speaking english in a country where GWB has started meddling (thank heavens I can pass for a French person in Africa).

Gaining control of so many oil rich countries is either an attempt to reduce the stranglehold that Saudi has on the US economy or a panicked reaction to the "breaking" news that it's drying up, and fast.

The oil companies have persuaded the governments in question to "INVEST" taxpayer's money in ensuring we can still drive to work (and delocalize manufacturing to cheap countries) through war rather than alternative fuel research!

(War employs/gets rid of more people which looks good on the figures in the next re-election campagn.

Sorry, not very Sahara but I had to get it off my chest.
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Kaspars,

Some of us use more of the black stuff than the rest. Accidentally it is the same "some of us" who are telling the rest of us that if we do not join the war on terror we will be guilty of relenting to terrorism and hence undermining their way of life, which is based on using more of the black stuff than the rest of us.

What do you expect of a world dominated by one superpower? And please don't forget that this superpower has won the cold war also because its wasteful lifestyle was more appealing to the working classes than the frugal existence under communism.



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In case anyone is overcome with guilt: two people driving transafrica in a diesel car will burn less fuel per person than if they flew in a fully-seated 737.

Of course, when the lean-burning A380 takes off it's time to think about a kite buggy, or a nice hair shirt.

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