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Negative effects of tourists in Libya

Ospelt Walter has asked me to the text and pictures.
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Why so?

Car tracks through the ruins of the fortress of Bir Mestutah!
And always in the most beautiful places cans, bottles and much other disgusting things..
Not everything happens from thoughtlessness! Why?

We have the space in the car, in the cans into the Sahara to carry. Because we have the space in the car, the empty garbage cans to the next place you. And the toilet paper is flammable (even though it does not believe). Even the plastic bottles of mineral water Mauritanian burn (even very good).

The domestic companions in Libya are certainly by us sensibilisierbar (our guide helped diligently with such remnants collect and dispose).

Therefore my appeal: No demolitions and the non-biodegradable waste either burn or take.

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This box comes from Mühlheim. If the interested party is reading, he should perhaps consider times in the future if he does not take his garbage.

It's also possible to say: The sun brings it back to the day!

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P.S.: If someone knows the guy, tell him, that this is not a good way.
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Shukran jazilan Ja Ulrich
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The price of tourism and increased access for the masses

It is reported to be much the same on Everest.
I believe there has been a "litter picking" effort around the base camp, but after that there is a load of junk scattered across the highest mountain on earth.

There will always be people who don't care, won't care and won't even think too much.
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It is reported to be much the same on Everest.
I believe there has been a "litter picking" effort around the base camp, but after that there is a load of junk scattered across the highest mountain on earth.

There will always be people who don't care, won't care and won't even think too much.
They organize "litter picking" efforts on the trail from Cuzco to Machu Pitchu. tons of garbage left behind. They also build campfires against the walls of the ruins and damage them. A real shame.
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I've heard that the affects of man living in London, NYC, and some other places hasn't been tops.

This thread makes zero sense to me.
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Smile zero sense?

I disagree.

A good reminder to be careful about what we do and where we go.

Thanks, and safe happy travels to all.

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Ulrich,

Here's another example - rubbish dump left behind by the Long Range Desert Group at the end of 1940 in Gilf Kebir.

Isn't it strange how ordinary litter, given time, becomes archaeological find?


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What the !!??

Really!! - Oswalt, Do you think overlanders would drive half way across the world just to wreck monuments and dump rubbish all over the place.

We are on a completly different buzz man !!!! We go to great lengths to see these places not to destroy them.

I thought all tourists had to be accompanied by a guide in Libya? SO in theory there was a guide in the vehicle that drove all over the monument. In theory a guide was present when the rubbish was left behind.....

Sounds like some of the money paid to the tour companies should be diverted into guide training and environmental awarness??

Perhaps some local lad did it? - We call it anti social behaviour. Comes in all sorts of forms - violence, vandilism etc Has its roots in the society in which fosters the little monsters....

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This happens all over the world.

A lot of places in Norway they also complain about German garbage. It’s pretty easy to spot because it’s not possible to buy these products up here.

No, I’m not saying that every German is like this!
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Good reminder: burn it then take it out

Niallo and Roman make good points - last time I was in Sebha it was surrounded by its own rubbish tip. And those cavemen of old made a real mess of the place but their junk fetches good money on ebay!

The UNESCO-listed Tassili plateau out of Djanet (Alg) has also become like Everest base camp despite the fact all groups pay the Tassili NP a fee and are guided... And Taghera (Alg) is a 'flower bed' of white toiler paper petals.

I know parts of the world are a dump but let's not make the wild parts of the Sahara which we seek out any worse. As suggested at the top of the thread burn all rubbish (incl toilet paper!) and take uncombusted remains out to a tip. And if necessary tell your guides/escorts to do the right thing too!

Ch

PS: I remember one time seeing in Pinz guy drive his 6-wheeler up onto Ksar Ghilane roman fort because he could. What a twat I thought...
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Hi Niallo,

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Really!! - Oswalt, Do you think overlanders would drive half way across the world just to wreck monuments and dump rubbish all over the place.
I don't think so, it is personal experience. I've seen such people, made them aware of what they are doing. Some responded with personal attacks.
In one case we stopped their attacks by making fotographs from their vehicles.
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I thought all tourists had to be accompanied by a guide in Libya? SO in theory there was a guide in the vehicle that drove all over the monument. In theory a guide was present when the rubbish was left behind.....
That can't be an excuse.
Does a Sahariens really need a nurse which tells him what is good and what is bad?
If a local guide drove over the monument: why didn't stop him the tourists?

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Steer carefully

Litter is ugly - especially to our Western eyes, but off-piste roaming/campsite searching is maybe a bigger worry. Easy to forget how much damage 150hp and 2-3 tonnes of rolling steel can do to fragile surfaces which have seen nothing heavier than a camel for X thousands of years.

As the pistes get busier it would be good to see some education on what's OK to drive over and what isn't - rather than just how to get over it without getting stuck!

A bit of cultural sensitivity would be good too - we saw tracks over graves in Mauri last year. Not nice.
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