Klinge Pass-north Dohone-libya

[saharayro]

I am going there, in September.
I know there is a lot of old mines there!
Does somebody go there recently?
It seems there is a new track, from the Rebiana road, outside the mines!
Does somebody go there recently without BOUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

Yves

[Roman]

Follow the tyre track of your guide's car and you'll be OK.

[Budrinna]

1 Very goood idea!! May be somebody must know about the existence of the counter mines, that blows after 3, 5, 9 ? passages .

2 No local official guide is allowed , since a lot , to give assistance to travellers in that border area that is military zone at 100%.

3 Foreign citizens willing to travel at any title in the area must compulsory and previously advise theirs embassies that will cheek if they are really and duly authorized by Libyans authorities and agencies. Avoiding above = serious problems ( and not as before better chek ).

Budrinna

[saharayro]

Hi,
Budrinna,

Your answer is very negative but honnest!

It is impossible to go there south way!
But, by the north, it seems possible.............

We are going there;
We want to go, at least, to Uweinat!

We are 3 cars with -6 people, and the policeman in one car.

Are you able to help us?

Yves

ACCUEIL

[Budrinna]

Hi
Sorry for the late answer, but unless “things” are as they are in the area (also for Ewynat) we cannot be of help to your trip as we cannot assure to get permits and official guides .

Budrinna

[saharayro]

Thanks Budrinna,

If we go there, it's to our risks!

I understand, but it'is foolish.

In Europa, today, you want to there, anywhere, and you go!

Five years ago, in all Magreb states, it was the same, and we knew the risks!

Today, it is very expensive and difficult to go to Tunisia, Algeria, Libya and, naturally Egypt.

All Sahara is closed.!

I was blocked, 2 years ago, in Tummo, trying to go to Niger.
It was difficult, and expensive, to come back!!!!

Thanks for your answer.


Yves

PS: I worked, in 75, in Tarabulus, during one year§
It was very pleasant

[saharayro]

Hi,
Budrinna.

I checked what was BUDRINNA

You are, or born or living, between Wadi el Abiod (??) and Wadi El Adjal!

See, the picture attached.

My son, 1999, at El Hassi ( Bir Heinrich Barth)


Yves

[TonyTea]

One thing with mines which, while it may not apply here, is important in any region where there is insurgency (Sudan, Chad, CAR, SE Ethiopia etc...) is that mines are not just placed and left - they are often placed in a spot just to catch a particular target. In this respect they are just like a gun - they are aimed, so for example, if you follow another car's tracks, that may lead you over the mine which was laid in the route the day before - often, if a military convoy has passed one way, the mines are laid to catch them coming back...

I work quite a bit for NGOs and UN agencies in insecure places, and I've known several cases of this - cars which followed recent track thinking that the tracks must mean it's safe - ...bang...

Simple things which can mean you might survive a mine:

Don't carry jerrycans of fuel inside the car in an area where mines might be a problem... They burn the car out and no-one escapes...

If you really think that mines are a possibility then don't wear seatbelts (but maybe you are thrown up and break your neck on the roof - it's tricky call...)

if you do hit an AT (anti Tank mine) and are still alive - which is quite possible.. then don't just jump out - normally AP (Anti Personnel) mines are laid round the big AT mines to stop people clearing them... There are systems to find mines using a wire prodder - car radio antenna is a recommended wire of the right diameter... lots of stuff on Google if you want to find out... I've happily never had to do it for real, but I've done security trainings where you have to cross an area and there are deactivated real mines laid - it's surprising how easy it is to find them if are very slow and careful, but

Wear glasses if you think there is a risk of blast - especially if you are trying to get out of a mined area - the blast throws up dirt / sand which will blind you but glasses might protect your eyes...

Finally, if someone on foot is injured by an AP mine, and you are confident that it is just AP mines then you can in an emergency, drive a car in to get them with the windows closed! - if another AP mine goes off it will 'probably' just blow off the tyre and the car can get back out...

If you see a trip wire or something else which is obvious such as a visible mine in the road, then it is probably meant to be seen to cause you to take the obvious route round it - that's where the real mine will be...

Not exactly 'official advice' - let's face it, if you actually think the place is mined you shouldn't consider going there - no fun being mutilated a week away from the nearest hospital - but if it happens...

Have fun!
Tony

[Budrinna]

Dear Ives

I agree that travelling Sahara is today expensive as it is in EU and mainly if You want to travel and have the same best level possible and available as it is in EU; I agree also that travelling in open EU is as difficult as travelling a close Sahara for most of africans , and this not for fun or pleasure.

Nice picture but I am afraid I have nothing to do with the Wadi el Hayat Walley even I got there a lot of good friends . Budrinna is not a name nor surname but only of an insect very common all over Africa.

Cheer with Mirinda
Budrinna

[saharayro]

yes, i agree with you,
Travelling in Europa is very expensive.

But, in Libya, you dont need a guide and a policeman.

Today, except in August, it is not very expensive to go, from exemple, to Thailand.

I worked in Libya in 75th!
It was easy to go anywhere.

I was in Libya in 2000th! with my young son
It was esy!

Now, you have to pay and you are like a prisonner with a guide and a policeman!

In EU, you are free!
That is the différence.

In Libya, for the moment, you are not free!

Yves

[Roman]

Originally Posted by saharayro

In EU, you are free!
That is the différence.
In Libya, for the moment, you are not free!

Don't go there!

[Budrinna]

Dunia ya hui Yves !

This is destiny dear brother Yves and the 75 th are far ago for everybody !
Thanks to Good travelling Sahara becomed nowadays a fashion and an attractive place as travelling EU or in far East. Of course without mines it would be more safe and expensive !
If you feel that you are not free thist is your problem , not mine , as I don’t need to travel EU for going Sahara as I have just to fill the tank of my Toyuta .

Salaam
Budrinna

[roro]

"I have just to fill the tank of my Toyuta ."

Hi Budrinna ( Have you a picture of this animal ? It would be interesting , isn't it ?)

About your Toyota , I think it's not a big problem to fill its tank in your country ( or am I wrong ? ) .
(If it is a problem , try a diesel Land Rover !)

Roro