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Old 25 Jan 2012
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Best way from Lima to Sao Paulo?

Hi,

Soon i will reach Lima, Peru after traveling up north from Chile/Argentina/Bolivia with my Honda CGL 125:

Mit dem Motorrad durch Bolivien und Peru Teil 2

Now i want to go to Equador/Columbia and then to Sao Paulo but i dont feel like doing the long way from venezuela to brasil and then take the farry from Manaus to Belim because people told me there will be nothing for thousends of kilometers...

Any other hints? What about Peru/Bolivie Paraguay/Brasil?

cu on the road, Tobi
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Hello ta-rider

To go from Lima do Sao Paulo is relatively simple. You can travel south from Lima until you reach Ica and then go to Cuzco, Porto Velho, Cuiaba, Rio Verde, Uberlandia, Ribeirao Preto and finaly Sao Paulo using the new Interoceanic Highway.

If you want to go north and ride through Colombia and Equador a a little more complicated as you said because is impossible to enter Brazil without going through Venezuela (because basically there is no roads connecting Colombia and Brazil). In this case you need to enter Brazil through Roraima, ride to Manaus, take a 6 days boat travel do Santarem and then ride south.

Going through Bolivia and Paraguay is simpler, you can enter in Brazil at Foz do Iguaçu and ride about 1000 kms to arrive in Sao Paulo.

Another option is riding from Lima to La Paz, Santa Cruz, Corumba, Campo Grande, Presidente Prudente and finally Sao Paulo.

If you have and doubts please let me know, and if you choose the first option let me know because I´m from Uberlandia and I can find you a place to stay, park your bike and buy you some
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Hi Man,

Thanks so much for your invitation even i think i will not come.
The part from Cuzco to Porto Velho looks qoute difficult on my maps but youv been talking about a highway? Is the road paved?

Right now my favorite route is to ride chile/Argentina/Paraquai because its sea level where my bike is much faster as high up at the altiplano in Bolivia whree its raining like mad right now

Ondrey wrote on his blog the road from Santa Cruz to Boarder of Paraquay was very bad.

Km 10000: On the way from Bolivia to Uruguay | Ondrej Jurik

What about the one to Campo Grande and how hard is it to get petrol there?

cu on day somewher...Tobi
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Hi Man,

Thanks so much for your invitation even i think i will not come.
The part from Cuzco to Porto Velho looks qoute difficult on my maps but youv been talking about a highway? Is the road paved?

Right now my favorite route is to ride chile/Argentina/Paraquai because its sea level where my bike is much faster as high up at the altiplano in Bolivia

Ondrey wrote on his blog the road from Santa Cruz to Boarder of Paraquay was very bad. What about the one to Campo Grande and how hard is it to get petrol there?

cu on day somewher...Tobi
The Interoceanic is a brand new road, 2600kms 100% paved between Ilo and Porto Velho.







They finished building the road about a year or so ago, and the highest point is 4500 above sea level.
About Gas Stations near Campo Grande I really don´t know. The last time I visited Mato Grosso was in 2007 and according to some friends the things there changed a lot since then.
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Thanks...Ilo is next to Cuzco, right? And hows the road from Porto Velho on to Varzea Grande and from there to Brasilia or Uberlandia?

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According to the website I usually use (and most of the times the website is quite accurate) the road between Porto Velho and Varzea Grande isn´t perfect (less than 120 kms with bad roads in a 1200 kms trip) but is manageable. The road between Ji-paraná and Vilhena is usually the most complicated part of the trip, and as far I can remember, there's a small part of gravel road that you should try to avoid during the rain season.
From Brasília do Uberlândia the road have been repaved about 3 years ago and now the government is renovating the road to make it a double lane highway (about 30% of the renovations is ready by now).
The only thing I would recommend to you about this route is to avoid the roads in Mato Grosso during the soybean crop season because the number of trucks quadruplicates, and many of those truck drivers are not exactly trustworthy driving those big rigs.

EDIT: Brazilian DOT have a website that has the information about most situation of most the roads in Brazil but some roads haven't been updated is a while. The website is in Portuguese, but you can use google translator to read it. This is the part about the road between Ji-Paraná and Villhena.
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Thanks...Ilo is next to Cuzco, right?
674 kms between Ilo and Cuzco (riding north) and 1015 kms from Lima to Cuzco (riding south)
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Hi,

Thanks a lot for all this information...i will think about it. Right now we have rain season in Bolivia...wehn will it be in brasil or where the interoceanic road goes?

Greetings, Tobi
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Hey Tobi
Here in Brazil the rainy season usually begins mid-October and it lasts until mid-May.
This is the actual Road configuration.
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Toby to Tobi

Tobi,

I rode the inter-oceanic in 2007 when it was under construction and even then it was in good shape. The road is paved all the way in Brazil (with some potholes). My 2007 route was Asis Brasil-Rio Branco-Porto Velho-Vilhena-Cuiaba-Rodonopolis-Campo Grande-Dourados-Foz.

We returned via Campo Grande-Corumba-Puerto Suarez-Sta Cruz (via train as the road was closed for construction)-Cochabamba-La Paz. NEVER a problem with fuel anywhere along the way. We were riding Honda XR250 Tornados with only a 170 km range, so you should have no problems.

Cheers! Toby
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Hi,

Thanks a lot for the answer. Its good to know all the roads from Porto Velho to Sao Paulo will be paved.


I start to like the idea about doing a loop through Columbia and Venezuela as well.
What about the road from Manaus to Porto Velho? Is it paved as well and can i get petrol there?

How much is the farry across the river from Manaus to Careiro for a motorbike and one person?
I dont realy feel like doing a boat trip from Manaus to Belem for a week but ondrey wrote in his travel report
the 6 days Farry (150 Euro?) trip was almoast the same price as just crossing the river at Belem

Ondrej Jurik - Just my opinion

@bkm_br: Doesnt matter wich road i will take...it looks all of them go to uberlandia so be ready: I will come to visit you in about 3 months

Thanks a lot, Tobi
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Hey Tobi, don't worry, you are more than welcomed in my House.

The road condition between Manaus and Porto Velho are the worse possible. About 500kms of unpaved hardcore off roading conditions in the middle of the Amazon Jungle and virtually no gas stations.


Not a easy ride definitely.
I have no ideia of the price of the ferry.
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oooops no way i will be able to do this...but thanks so much for the information

Im at the beautifull Oasis Huacachina right now:

Motorrad Reise durch Peru - Machu Picchu - Teil 3

Looking forwart to visit you soon

LG, Tobi
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Hi,

Finally i have been riding through Venezuela and im very happy i did so. The people where so friendly...the petrol was free and the landscape on the way down from Ciuidad Bolivar to the Brasil boarder breath taking:

http://www.adventure-travel-experience.de/index.php?report=en_venezuela-brasilien

To take the ferry from Manaus to Belem was one of the nicest things of my trip. There was sooo much to see. Unbeleavable that people have told me so many bad things about this great part of the world...

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