300TDi and EU4 Emissions

[tony johnston]

Hi Guys,

I currently live in Indonesia and am really struggling to find out solid info re the above.

I am retiring to Spain early next year and my wish is to buy a 110 LHD 300TDi.if possible.

HOWEVER:

Can anyone advise where the 300TDi stands in relation to EU4?

If I bought one now,either used or,new,can I register it and how long is it expected to be before it became invalid for further registration.

OR can anyone direct me to an official website where I can find out more about this issue.

[Honybadger]

Perhaps not terribly helpful but in the U.K. my 1965 Series 2a Landrover is tested against the emission standards it was built to, which is
"the smoke from the exhaust must not obscure the vehicle behind"
and I expect to be able to tax it ad finitum( it's on a galvanised chassis)
I haven't a clue if Spain is different.

P.S. It doesn't smoke all that much before I upset someone.

[diesel jim]

I think the Tdi is EU2, the Td5 was EU3 and the latest Tdci is EU4/5

[Richard Washington]

You can actually buy a new tdi 300 Defender still (just) - see Landrover conversions by Foley Specialist Vehicles

The last of the Rest of the World.

I have one on 2008 plates in the UK. To achieve UK registration the vehicle had to pass some MOT look-alike (except stricter and more expensive) test. I'm yet to have to MOT this vehicle with the standard MOT procedure (that happens next year once the vehicle is '3 years old'. From time to time I get slightly nervous about how this will work out.

I did hear from a German bloke in France this summer (2010) that Germany will be taking all tdi 300s off the road in 2012. Their rules seem to apply retrospectively, whereas the UK seems to stick with regs which related to the year of registration of the vehicle. The UK has changed their position at least once on this sort of thing. Tax free classics used to apply to vehicles which were n years old on a rolling basis. That all stopped with vehicles dating back to 1972 or so. Its plausible that the UK could start behaving like Germany - but they haven't yet.

[moggy 1968]

It's unlikely retrospective banning wouold come in in the UK as the classic market is too strong, what they may do, and have done recently on post2000 cars, is change the road fund level.

the notion that scrapping cars is somehow environmentally friendly is complete nonsense, still, if you want a cheap landy go to germany!!

[rclafton]

Originally Posted by Richard Washington

I did hear from a German bloke in France this summer (2010) that Germany will be taking all tdi 300s off the road in 2012. Their rules seem to apply retrospectively, whereas the UK seems to stick with regs .

richard

do you have any other references to this as its a bg deal, cos i'm sure it wouldn't affect just LR but all the older diesels would be on the scrapheap too what about all those old mercs etc

They are definatly making cities more difficult for old diesels but not seen a reference to a total ban

rich

[Richard Washington]

Originally Posted by rclafton

richard

do you have any other references to this as its a bg deal
rich

At the moment, no I don't. Its just what the German guy told me. He had a new Defender SW (Puma or ford transit diesel). He explained that he had reluctantly sold his 300 tdi on the basis of the ruling due in 2012 and bought the Puma.

There are published regs for emission controls in many German cities (e.g. Driving in Germany - German Highway Code - Low Emission Zones - Speed Limits - Winter Tyres and much more. ) which would rule out older diesels entering 32 German city centres, but that is not quite the same as an outright ban.

There was an EU proposal to limit CO2 output to 130g/km but Germany actually opoosed this on account of their traditionally heavier cars and the associated higher output. its worth watching what happens....

[Honybadger]

I notice from the link that vintage cars older than 30yrs old are exempt therefore my S11a swb, 1965 Forward Control camper and soon my 1983 110 are still allowed to enter cities

[rclafton]

Originally Posted by Richard Washington

There was an EU proposal to limit CO2 output to 130g/km but Germany actually opoosed this on account of their traditionally heavier cars and the associated higher output. its worth watching what happens....

think there may be a slight confusion in that ruling, I think rather than being a ruling for all vehicles, its a ruling for an average over the model range, the problem being that BMW/Merc/porsche etc cannot do this easily as they don't produce little cars. The UK government is seeking exemption for small volume manufacturers such as Morgan etc. (and landrover / jaguar have the same issue as merc etc)

Emissions reductions
The proposal will be a major step in lowering CO2 emissions in the EU. It will reduce the average emissions of CO2 from new passenger cars in the EU from around 160 grams per kilometre to 130 grams per kilometre in 2012 as part of the EU's integrated approach to achieve overall 120 grams per kilometre. That will translate into a 19% reduction of CO2 emissions and will place the EU among the world leaders of fuel efficient cars.

[moggy 1968]

Unfortunately things are never as they seem.
The toyota pious (sorry prius) has the same carbon footprint as a discovery 3 over the average car life time (although landies tend to last longer than that) because it is highly poluting to make and destroy, thanks mainly to those batteries. Landrover on the other hand are a very environmentally sensitive company.
I think more attention needs to be made to the process of manufacturing and destruction, not just emissions of the cars.
companies should be able to ofset some of their cars emissions if they can supply evidence of green initiatives, such as renewable energy resources, during the manufaturing process.

[rclafton]

I wold agree, i think efficient diesels still win hands down (my astra diesel returns 60mpg on a run)

but the prius etc are 1st generation of there type and we will see them get better

not convinced the latest landrovers will last that long, the electrics will write them off as they get older (thinking discovery/rangie) as they are so complex and need specialist kit to maintain them so the 20+ year lifespan wll shorten i think

[Squire]

I'm struggling with finding practical ways of reducing emissions of my rest of the World (ROW) edition Defender from 2006 which is equipped with a 300Tdi. Yes it does exist and I know of another identical, twin really, in Italy.

Long story short: I bought the beauty new in Egypt while posted there for work and shipped it to my current duty station Switzerland where I barely use it. It has no emission control device installed, not even a catalytic converter. The black smoke at start-up and toxic fumes (smell) have become a real embarrassment.

I've been putting off a much desired overloading trip in light of cost of living here and I'm looking for either sell the beast at loss or find a practical way to reduce toxic emissions. I'd be most grateful if anyone could guide towards existing solutions, preferably tested and proven. Help please!

[Gipper]

Hi Squire,

You should be able to retro fit a catalytic converter exhaust pipe to your Defender if you really want to, but at the end of the day it is a direct injection diesel with no DPF and it will always blow some smoke/crap on start up - especially when cold.

https://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/la...-with-cat.html

retro fitting an active DPF would be a headache, you need to have a regeneration injection system into the hot filter to clear soot, the passive ones are nowhere near as good - either will cost you ~5% in extra fuel consumption.

[moggy 1968]

In the UK at least I think there is a get out clause on the new, supposedly tought MOT rules where a vehicle has to meet the emissions standards of that particular model as stated by the manufacturer, which means yours would be backdated to whenever the 300tdi was introduced. Don't FFS quote me on that though!! Look up the specific requirements but there may be a dodge in there somewhere