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RicTS 30 Dec 2008 23:47

Bedford TM & GVW de-rating
 
Hi,

Any thoughts about the Bedford TM and whether it's a bag of nails or OK?, I'm also interested as to whether it's possible to get the GVW rating down to 7.5T in the UK.

I was looking at 4x4 sprinter / 4x4 Iveco cab but they are expensive, but they meet the wife's criteria of being pretty and not white.

I've come across a TM 4x4 troop box carrier (not sure how much yet £), not quite what I was after in terms of config, but 95% there. If it comes in an 50% the cost of an Iveco / Merc with the added benefit of some ground clearance (OK Iveco is not too much on an issue on that one) then it's in wit a shout..... unless it costs a fortune to run.

I don't want to do the HGV / LGV test, so de-rating is an issue, if the TM also does the MPG of a Russian truck (which I've also looked at) then that is also an issue - though a £20k saving on a posh van, can buy a shed load of fuel.

Comments would be appreciated.

RTS

RogerM 31 Dec 2008 05:15

I dont think the TMs were ever produced for such a lightweight market, they were middleweight 16tonne upto 42tonne in rigid and articulated configurations.

I dont think the 4tonne (payload) 4x4 variant was ever produced as Bedford did not win the Army contract in the 1980s.

If you are looking at an ex army 4x4 TM then I think the tare weight will defeat you at about 8-9tonnes.

RicTS 1 Jan 2009 23:10

Thanks for the reply...

What came to mind was that is if the actual base vehicle GVW is 17000Kg, and the Max payload is 8000Kg, would that make the base weight of the vehicle 9000kg?

Still doesn't get around the HGV issue, but (for example) where I live, there's a ban of street parking of anything over 7500kg overnight.

But does a 'core' TM weight 9 tonnes??...

Regards,

RTS

RogerM 2 Jan 2009 04:54

I'd say that the base vehicle without any body fitted would be in the 8 tonne range - bear in mind it was for a 4x4 army truck so tare weight was not a big issue. I think you may have to look at the lower weight TKs or Leyland Dafs that replaced them if you want to stick with an ex army vehicle that can be driven on a car licence. There are some nice Unimogs about!!

I had a book with UK truck specs but as always cant find it when I want it, I'll keep looking.

Josh R 2 Jan 2009 10:44

Bedford TM
 
The Bedford TM's are to heavy to de-rate to 7.49t, been there and looked at it. You can shed some weight by removing the very heavy army spec load bed but this still leaves you with a very small payload and would not make it worth while.

I've been looking at a Leyland DAF 4x4 from Witham, these can be derated to 7.49t and are a lot more civilised to drive than a Bedford MK. They have on with a factory spec winch which would make a good option for overland travel.

If you're interested in 4x4 trucks then L Jackson (where I think you've seen the TM) have a Iveco 4x4 ruck already de-rated to 7.4t but I think they were looking for £15K for it. Have a look at their website.

RicTS 3 Jan 2009 23:26

Many thanks for the replies...

Jacksons was where I'd seen the boxed up TM. I know another chap on here had gone down the DAF route for the weight issue reasons, so I'll have another look in that direction (and the Jacksons website again)

In terms of Unimogs, when you say there are nice one's about... I must be putting garbage into my search engine, 'cause I can't find any!!.

Also as an aside..... should I be left with a chassis vehicle... where can you go to get the box made in the UK??.. I've also struggled on that aspect.

Regards,

RTS

Toby2 5 Jan 2009 13:39

Atkinson Vos Ltd Mercedes Unimogs

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Cheers Tobias

Luke 9 Jan 2009 10:01

why an obsolete mark?
 
If you want to stay under 7.5 tonnes, have a look at the MAN 8.130 and the 8.150 (preferable – more horses) which are perfectly capable for overlanding. CS had one for a while, he didn’t keep it but it wasn’t because it was crap off road.
There are plenty of them on Mobile.de, not always in the under 7.5t section
Found the link: Overlanders Handbook ~ VW MAN 8136 FAE

happy planning
Luke

Robin101fc 22 Jan 2010 15:03

A friend of mine bolted the 'troop-carrier' seats into the back, minus one section and had it registered as a 15 seat minibus. It was therefore legal to drive on a car licence and taxed as a car. I believe you can also register one as a camper if it has a fixed camper body in the same way. It was very easy to drive, just like an over-large Land Rover.
Robin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke (Post 222293)
If you want to stay under 7.5 tonnes, have a look at the MAN 8.130 and the 8.150 (preferable – more horses) which are perfectly capable for overlanding. CS had one for a while, he didn’t keep it but it wasn’t because it was crap off road.
There are plenty of them on Mobile.de, not always in the under 7.5t section
Found the link: Overlanders Handbook ~ VW MAN 8136 FAE

happy planning
Luke


rclafton 22 Jan 2010 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin101fc (Post 272940)
A friend of mine bolted the 'troop-carrier' seats into the back, minus one section and had it registered as a 15 seat minibus. It was therefore legal to drive on a car licence and taxed as a car. I believe you can also register one as a camper if it has a fixed camper body in the same way. It was very easy to drive, just like an over-large Land Rover.
Robin

just to be clear - you cannot drive a 7.5 tonne vehicle on a post 97 license without further testing - of course us old gits can

There are no weight exemptions because its a campervan (do not confuse the mot exemptions which allow it to be tested as a class 4)

If you have a look at theoverlander.net then chris's old 8.136 is up for sale again , but as a fully kitted camper now

remember also if you are using ex military vehicles , they may require an export license to take them anywhere out of the uk now

pictish 22 Jan 2010 16:23

Philipp aus dem Hanfbachtal - Militärfahrzeuge, Armeefahrzeuge, Wohnmobile, Expeditionsfahrzeuge
has a range of mercs and others

there is also alot of nice unimog ambulances on mobile.de and loads of other man and merc ex army vehicles. You can also find places that do military boxes for teh flatbeds.

m37charlie 22 Jan 2010 22:01

I don't know how hard this is in the UK. But I obtained a CDL (commercial drivers' licence) in Alaska by doing the following:
Spending 1.5 hrs with a CDL instructor going through the pre-drive "walkaround" re the truck's mechanicals.
Obtaining the CDL rules book from the motor vehicle dept and reading it overnight.
Take the written test for Class B (rigid trucks) and air brakes and obtain CDL learner's permit.
Take the CDL driving test, it cost $25.
Now I have a Class B (rigid trucks, any GVW) licence!
If you are intelligent and literate and know your truck, it is not necessary to go to school for 6 weeks although some countries may require it.
PS Medical is also required - added 1/26/10

Charlie

rclafton 23 Jan 2010 13:10

its a little more complex in the uk...............

and rightly so

pictish 23 Jan 2010 17:52

FOR uk
You need medical
then theory/hazard test [pretty much same as car/bike but with lorry technical questions]
you can get a 2 day quick course for instruction
then you sit the test

this is also known as rigid/lgv/class 2 or class C license and allows you to drive nearly all fixed rigs.

think its 21 age limit

the next one is the trailer/semi one known as cat C+E which for articulated

so its not too far off in term of training in most western countries

grizzly7 23 Jan 2010 19:03

RicTS my box and one of the camper boxes that Atkinson Vos currently have for sale were made by Willinghams of Hull. Stephen Stuarts also, link below.
Before I bought this one I'd rung them asking about building a box once I'd found a chassis, they said they hadn't done one for a while (18 months ago) and a ballpark is £10k!

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