Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > 4 wheels > Other 4wd Overland Tech

Other 4wd Overland Tech Brand specific 4WD / 4 wheel, 2WD and Trucks
TECH discussions and info for NON-Land Rover or Toyota.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 30 Dec 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 36
Bedford TM & GVW de-rating

Hi,

Any thoughts about the Bedford TM and whether it's a bag of nails or OK?, I'm also interested as to whether it's possible to get the GVW rating down to 7.5T in the UK.

I was looking at 4x4 sprinter / 4x4 Iveco cab but they are expensive, but they meet the wife's criteria of being pretty and not white.

I've come across a TM 4x4 troop box carrier (not sure how much yet £), not quite what I was after in terms of config, but 95% there. If it comes in an 50% the cost of an Iveco / Merc with the added benefit of some ground clearance (OK Iveco is not too much on an issue on that one) then it's in wit a shout..... unless it costs a fortune to run.

I don't want to do the HGV / LGV test, so de-rating is an issue, if the TM also does the MPG of a Russian truck (which I've also looked at) then that is also an issue - though a £20k saving on a posh van, can buy a shed load of fuel.

Comments would be appreciated.

RTS
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 31 Dec 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bribie Island Australia
Posts: 582
I dont think the TMs were ever produced for such a lightweight market, they were middleweight 16tonne upto 42tonne in rigid and articulated configurations.

I dont think the 4tonne (payload) 4x4 variant was ever produced as Bedford did not win the Army contract in the 1980s.

If you are looking at an ex army 4x4 TM then I think the tare weight will defeat you at about 8-9tonnes.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 1 Jan 2009
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 36
Thanks for the reply...

What came to mind was that is if the actual base vehicle GVW is 17000Kg, and the Max payload is 8000Kg, would that make the base weight of the vehicle 9000kg?

Still doesn't get around the HGV issue, but (for example) where I live, there's a ban of street parking of anything over 7500kg overnight.

But does a 'core' TM weight 9 tonnes??...

Regards,

RTS
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bribie Island Australia
Posts: 582
I'd say that the base vehicle without any body fitted would be in the 8 tonne range - bear in mind it was for a 4x4 army truck so tare weight was not a big issue. I think you may have to look at the lower weight TKs or Leyland Dafs that replaced them if you want to stick with an ex army vehicle that can be driven on a car licence. There are some nice Unimogs about!!

I had a book with UK truck specs but as always cant find it when I want it, I'll keep looking.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 39
Bedford TM

The Bedford TM's are to heavy to de-rate to 7.49t, been there and looked at it. You can shed some weight by removing the very heavy army spec load bed but this still leaves you with a very small payload and would not make it worth while.

I've been looking at a Leyland DAF 4x4 from Witham, these can be derated to 7.49t and are a lot more civilised to drive than a Bedford MK. They have on with a factory spec winch which would make a good option for overland travel.

If you're interested in 4x4 trucks then L Jackson (where I think you've seen the TM) have a Iveco 4x4 ruck already de-rated to 7.4t but I think they were looking for £15K for it. Have a look at their website.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 3 Jan 2009
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 36
Many thanks for the replies...

Jacksons was where I'd seen the boxed up TM. I know another chap on here had gone down the DAF route for the weight issue reasons, so I'll have another look in that direction (and the Jacksons website again)

In terms of Unimogs, when you say there are nice one's about... I must be putting garbage into my search engine, 'cause I can't find any!!.

Also as an aside..... should I be left with a chassis vehicle... where can you go to get the box made in the UK??.. I've also struggled on that aspect.

Regards,

RTS
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 5 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 473
Atkinson Vos Ltd Mercedes Unimogs

The UK Unimog owner's meeting place.

mobile.de - Deutschlands größter Fahrzeugmarkt. Suchen, kaufen oder verkaufen Sie Neu- und Gebrauchtwagen (German equivilent to Autotrader. You can select english by clicking on the appropriate flag, you can search under motorhomes for converted mogs and under trucks for standard mogs. On the motorhome page, Unimog is not in the drop down list but if you leave the drop down box empty and type unimog in the field next to it, it usually brings up about 20+ unimog motorhomes of varying ages / types).

Cheers Tobias
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 9 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: France
Posts: 353
why an obsolete mark?

If you want to stay under 7.5 tonnes, have a look at the MAN 8.130 and the 8.150 (preferable – more horses) which are perfectly capable for overlanding. CS had one for a while, he didn’t keep it but it wasn’t because it was crap off road.
There are plenty of them on Mobile.de, not always in the under 7.5t section
Found the link: Overlanders Handbook ~ VW MAN 8136 FAE

happy planning
Luke
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 22 Jan 2010
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: King's Lynn, Norfolk
Posts: 4
A friend of mine bolted the 'troop-carrier' seats into the back, minus one section and had it registered as a 15 seat minibus. It was therefore legal to drive on a car licence and taxed as a car. I believe you can also register one as a camper if it has a fixed camper body in the same way. It was very easy to drive, just like an over-large Land Rover.
Robin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke View Post
If you want to stay under 7.5 tonnes, have a look at the MAN 8.130 and the 8.150 (preferable – more horses) which are perfectly capable for overlanding. CS had one for a while, he didn’t keep it but it wasn’t because it was crap off road.
There are plenty of them on Mobile.de, not always in the under 7.5t section
Found the link: Overlanders Handbook ~ VW MAN 8136 FAE

happy planning
Luke
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 22 Jan 2010
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Leicestershire,UK, or in my Iveco Daily 4x4
Posts: 461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin101fc View Post
A friend of mine bolted the 'troop-carrier' seats into the back, minus one section and had it registered as a 15 seat minibus. It was therefore legal to drive on a car licence and taxed as a car. I believe you can also register one as a camper if it has a fixed camper body in the same way. It was very easy to drive, just like an over-large Land Rover.
Robin
just to be clear - you cannot drive a 7.5 tonne vehicle on a post 97 license without further testing - of course us old gits can

There are no weight exemptions because its a campervan (do not confuse the mot exemptions which allow it to be tested as a class 4)

If you have a look at theoverlander.net then chris's old 8.136 is up for sale again , but as a fully kitted camper now

remember also if you are using ex military vehicles , they may require an export license to take them anywhere out of the uk now
__________________
Rich

Iveco Turbo Daily 4x4 40-10
Ex Owner LR101 300Tdi Ambi 'Tiggurr'
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 22 Jan 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: aberdeenshire scotland
Posts: 157
Philipp aus dem Hanfbachtal - Militärfahrzeuge, Armeefahrzeuge, Wohnmobile, Expeditionsfahrzeuge
has a range of mercs and others

there is also alot of nice unimog ambulances on mobile.de and loads of other man and merc ex army vehicles. You can also find places that do military boxes for teh flatbeds.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 22 Jan 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 245
I don't know how hard this is in the UK. But I obtained a CDL (commercial drivers' licence) in Alaska by doing the following:
Spending 1.5 hrs with a CDL instructor going through the pre-drive "walkaround" re the truck's mechanicals.
Obtaining the CDL rules book from the motor vehicle dept and reading it overnight.
Take the written test for Class B (rigid trucks) and air brakes and obtain CDL learner's permit.
Take the CDL driving test, it cost $25.
Now I have a Class B (rigid trucks, any GVW) licence!
If you are intelligent and literate and know your truck, it is not necessary to go to school for 6 weeks although some countries may require it.
PS Medical is also required - added 1/26/10

Charlie
__________________
Unimog U500 w/Unicat

Last edited by m37charlie; 26 Jan 2010 at 16:41.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 23 Jan 2010
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Leicestershire,UK, or in my Iveco Daily 4x4
Posts: 461
its a little more complex in the uk...............

and rightly so
__________________
Rich

Iveco Turbo Daily 4x4 40-10
Ex Owner LR101 300Tdi Ambi 'Tiggurr'
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 23 Jan 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: aberdeenshire scotland
Posts: 157
FOR uk
You need medical
then theory/hazard test [pretty much same as car/bike but with lorry technical questions]
you can get a 2 day quick course for instruction
then you sit the test

this is also known as rigid/lgv/class 2 or class C license and allows you to drive nearly all fixed rigs.

think its 21 age limit

the next one is the trailer/semi one known as cat C+E which for articulated

so its not too far off in term of training in most western countries
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 23 Jan 2010
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 367
RicTS my box and one of the camper boxes that Atkinson Vos currently have for sale were made by Willinghams of Hull. Stephen Stuarts also, link below.
Before I bought this one I'd rung them asking about building a box once I'd found a chassis, they said they hadn't done one for a while (18 months ago) and a ballpark is £10k!

The UK Unimog owner's meeting place.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bedford Rascal, Daihatsu Hi-Jet, Piaggio Porter - what thoughts? Alexlebrit 4WD Overland Tech 17 11 Jul 2008 12:44
Ex-army Bedford MJ or Leyland/Daf 45 Richardq 4WD Overland Tech 1 19 Aug 2007 13:06
Pirelli Scorpions rating tifua Equipping the Bike - what's the best gear? 2 6 Apr 2003 22:50

 
 
 

NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!

Next HU Eventscalendar

See all events

 

HU DVD Autumn Special!

Take 40% off Road Heroes Part 1 until October 31 only!

Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries two-up on a Harley); Dr. Greg Frazier (5 times RTW); Tiffany Coates (RTW solo female); and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).

The first in an exciting new series, Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers."Inspiring and hilarious!"

"I loved watching this DVD!"

"Lots of amazing stories and even more amazing photographs, it's great fun and very inspirational."

"Wonderful entertainment!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'HEROES' on your order when you checkout.



Scottoiler automatic chain oilers. The most important accessory for your next motorcycle adventure!


Renedian Adventures


Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 13:31.