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Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan & Tajikistan info needed

Hi all, well i just need some updated information if anyone could help.

Well my bike is currently in East Ukraine not to far from Luhansk (I take it I can cross into Russia at Izvaryne border crossing as a UK passport holder?)

I am planning to cross over into Russia to Volgograd and then head to Kazakhstan so I am looking to take the fastest route to Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan) as I don’t wont to spend to much time crossing Kazakhstan, once in Bishkek I will apply for my Tajikistan visa.


I currently work a 2 weeks on 3 weeks off rota so I just completed my first part of my trip which was-

UK, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia , Poland, Ukraine (Lviv then down the whole Carpathians), Romania (Carpathians), Moldova, Transnistria, Ukraine (Odessa to Yalta to Luhansk)

I’m currently back at work for 2 weeks (North sea) so when I finish I will fly back out to my bike on the 4th June

Any suggested routes would be great and I prefer to use maps rather than a GPS.

Basically my plan for now is just to ride my bike on my 3 weeks off and then fly back to work for 2 weeks and wherever my bike is just head back out to carry on Brraappping which for me seems a pretty cool way of life.

Thanks for any help on this.
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From Volgograd, crossing into Kaz, there is pretty much 1 road you take east then south down to shymkent to cross into Uzbekistan. It's about 2500 kilometers, one stretch in the middle has 420km between petrol stations. The border you can cross between kaz & uz is not at shymkent (pedestrian only) you have to go 100 SW to the next border then 100km back up to Tashkent. After that nothing will be in a straight line due to the order jumble

Kazakhstan is long & hot. Be sure to have enough water. There is a lot of off road when we did it last year, tons of road construction.

Sounds like an awesome way to live!
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Well my bike is currently in East Ukraine not to far from Luhansk (I take it I can cross into Russia at Izvaryne border crossing as a UK passport holder?)
Yes its a good international border

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I am planning to cross over into Russia to Volgograd and then head to Kazakhstan so I am looking to take the fastest route to Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan) as I don’t wont to spend to much time crossing Kazakhstan, once in Bishkek I will apply for my Tajikistan visa.
I would do via Volgograd, Astrakhan, Atyrau, Beyneu. Nukus, Khiva, Bukhara (Khiva and Bukhara are very much worth seeing), then to Samarkand, Tashkent, Shymkent, Bishkek.

You could go Volgograd, Saratov, Uralsk, Aktobe, Aralsk, Shymkent, Bishkek, and it might save you a day, but it will be a LOT more boring.

Note, for the former more interesting route, you will need a double entry Kazakh visa
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Hi fellows thanks for the reply

Yes niello8 the first part was great but i am back at work now, such is life

Work is great so i can even swap rotas to take up to 2 months off and then just go back for 2 weeks ect ect, i will leave my bike in Kyrgyzstan after this part of the trip and i plan to spend 3-4 weeks in Tajikistan on the next part

Well i only have a single entry Russian & Kazakhstan visa (I have 2 passports so if need be i can apply for another visa whilst on route) so looks like i will be taking the second route Walter mentioned but with regards to the Kazakhstan to Kyrgyzstan border crossing i take it after Shymkent i go down the M39 at Chaldovar to cross into Kyrgyzstan or should i go to Georgiyevka ?

Walter i saw in Yalta your sticker in the KTM shop, i made some great friends in Yalta and I will head back there again

For me this is not just a bike trip as i am looking for somewhere to live and when i find it i will stay there as with my job i can basically live anywhere in the world and just commute to work when need be
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Walter how long would this route take

You could go Volgograd, Saratov, Uralsk, Aktobe, Aralsk, Shymkent, Bishkek, and it might save you a day, but it will be a LOT more boring.

Im on a DRZ400
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Walter how long would this route take

You could go Volgograd, Saratov, Uralsk, Aktobe, Aralsk, Shymkent, Bishkek, and it might save you a day, but it will be a LOT more boring.

Im on a DRZ400
If you break it into 400-500 km days it will be:

One day each to Saratov, Uralsk, Aktobe, then about 3 days to Shymkent, and another day to Bishkek ... 7 days.
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Thanks Walter, i will be leaving Ukraine on the 5th June so i will be looking forward to this part of my trip.
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Hi,
The road Aktube-Aralsk is asfalt - You will manage easy and fast.
The road from Aralsk to Qyzylorda is under construction (M32). On bike its quite difficult and very boring (dust, dust and dust). And be carefull about speeding - if 40 than not more than 44km/h. Police have Lada cars equipped with rec cameras. Sometime sign was many km after us but it still is binding limit.
From Quzylorda again better road to Kyrgystan. Fuel is chapeast in Kazakstan but food&drinks ;-) in Kyrgystan.
People are brilliant!

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Thanks for the information, I am really looking forward to this part of my trip.
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The road from Aralsk to Qyzylorda is under construction (M32). On bike its quite difficult and very boring (dust, dust and dust). And be carefull about speeding - if 40 than not more than 44km/h. Police have Lada cars equipped with rec cameras. Sometime sign was many km after us but it still is binding limit.
Hey when was the last time you went over this bit - the construction is slated to be complete some time this year. Is probably worth keeping this updated as construction continues.
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I will let you know what its like when i over it in 2 weeks
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I will let you know what its like when i over it in 2 weeks
Thanks, can you do me a favour and give me an update on the fuel situation specifically at the waypoint at Kalybay. (N49.14534 E60.81828)

Niello has mentioned on 4-5 posts on the board that they saw no fuel for 420 km between Karabutak and Aralsk - but I have question marks about that report. That seems odd to me as there was fuel at Kalybay (part of the way between Karabutak and Aralsk) a few years back. I would be surprised with the advance of time and increase of traffic and upgrading of the road if there was a 420 km gap now where there wasnt one before on a major highway across a rapidly developing country.

Definitely worth checking out.

It may be that it was under re-construction last year?
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Now if i remember correctly there was 2010 in place which is crossroad of M32 and A26 coming from Shalkar small cafe/restaurant/guesthouse and also petrol pump near it. Perhaps we are talking of same place Walther?

Also if i remember correctly petrol pump/station was little bit away from M32 towards Irqiz so it can be that person driving on M32 could have missed it?
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Thanks, can you do me a favour and give me an update on the fuel situation specifically at the waypoint at Kalybay. (N49.14534 E60.81828)
No worries will do.

I see you also live in Moscow, i use to live/stay there in Voykovskiy (North Moscow) during the last 5 years when i was not at work as my now ex girlfriend is from Moscow.

I would be starting this trip sooner but when i land back in Ukraine the young girl who's family is looking after my bike in a small village as told me all weekend will be BBQ and wine so i cant argue with that......


Tirpse nice choice of bike i am also using a DRZ with a IMS front tank and a mecca rear tank which is great, however my DRZ is blue/white so it goes faster than yours..... ;-)
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Now if i remember correctly there was 2010 in place which is crossroad of M32 and A26 coming from Shalkar small cafe/restaurant/guesthouse and also petrol pump near it. Perhaps we are talking of same place Walther?

Also if i remember correctly petrol pump/station was little bit away from M32 towards Irqiz so it can be that person driving on M32 could have missed it?
Yes ... there is still a cafe / accommodation there at the Irgiz Junction ... there may still be fuel there too ... thats another spot to check out. Thats not the station at Kalybay I meant, but there might also be fuel at Irgiz Junction too. I remember buying fuel there in 1994 - hand pumped.



Its possible / likely Niello just missed a couple of these smaller fuel stops. I dont want people thinking you need to carry 420 + km of fuel, if you dont. I dont want people worrying about range in Central Asia or thinking about spending cash on unnecessary extra tanks if its not an issue. I certainly have never needed that kind of range in Kazakhstan in all the times I have crossed it and I have take some unorthodox routes at times. This stretch (Karabutak - Aralsk) in comparison is a main highway.

Kato, please also ask around the Irgiz Hotel waypoint to see if there is any fuel at that location. Its a popular roadside truckstop so I would not be surprised if they still have fuel there. If Tirpse has bought there as recently as 2010, then again its highly likely there is some there now. Meaning the longest stretch in that 420km section is actually only 205 km between fuel, from Irgiz Junction to Aralsk.

One of the best aspects of having accurate fuel station info on the waypoints is that it alleviates concerns about carrying unnecessarily excessive fuel loads.
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