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My budget suggestion, reasonable?

Ive been wanting to do a trip to mongolia, or maybe even as far as Magadan, for 2 years now, and surprise surprise i still dont have the funds. But, if you were to do this trip, taking in eastern europe, mongolia and russia, would £50 a day sound reasonable? I was hoping to ride as far east as i could for 6 to 8 weeks, then turn around. Would rather just ride back and enjoy the bike than spend on shipping and flights etc.

Camping most nights, simple food, fuel etc. I would maybe struggle with that in europe where fuel is expensive tho.
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My, very rough, rule of thumb for costs on the road was 50 USD per person. All inclusive.

This was across Russia, central Asia and Europe. We most often camped, though got cheap hotels if we had to stay in towns and cooked ourselves when camping. Essentially doing it pretty cheap.

Sure some days were around 20 USD, whereas others you had to buy visas and spares and so on...
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good good, sounds like £50 should do fine then. My most recent 2 week trip around europe with the other half we spent about £100 a day, but that was doing disneyland (big kid a know but it was great) and that sort of stuff too.
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Every year I spend 60 days in trips. It is Europe, Africa, Asia.
I spend about 25-30 EUR per day.
We travel by Defender with 3 or 4 people, sleep in tents, pensions, eat local foods and food I bring from home.
The price include: visas, car fees and everything. Without gifts.
Last year we spent 50 EUR/day in Libia, but the costs was higher of guide, policman and price of ferry.

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Dave - have a look at Wildman's post about Mongolia. He's sketched out a few costs which might help you. And you're not alone in not being short on funds......but just do it anyway!

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Ive been wanting to do a trip to mongolia, or maybe even as far as Magadan, for 2 years now, and surprise surprise i still dont have the funds. But, if you were to do this trip, taking in eastern europe, mongolia and russia, would £50 a day sound reasonable? I was hoping to ride as far east as i could for 6 to 8 weeks, then turn around. Would rather just ride back and enjoy the bike than spend on shipping and flights etc.

Camping most nights, simple food, fuel etc. I would maybe struggle with that in europe where fuel is expensive tho.
We spent average of AU$100 per day for 2 people in a 4wd. We cooked most of our meals, and camped about 80-90% of the time. This included all costs, ferries, visas, shipping, service, fuel etc. this was from Vlad to London through most of the Stans and mongolia
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We have just finished a ride to Europe from Vladivostok. If you travel in the style you suggested, you will have money left over. Fuel is a reasonable price and food to cook is cheap. We pumped our own water, so the only other expense was a bottle or two of Vodka.
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Dave - have a look at Wildman's post about Mongolia. He's sketched out a few costs which might help you. And you're not alone in not being short on funds......but just do it anyway!

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I've been some budgeting for a trip to Mongolia. There's a spreadsheet on the site here (can't find it now) but using and adapting that, I've come up with a basic budget of around $6,000 (£4,000). That's just under the £50 per day prediction and covers fuel (19,000 kms), accommodation (82 days, camping/hostel during the week or when on the move and cheap but decent hotel at weekends or whenever stopped for a couple of days), food and personal spending money.

Trip Length (Days) 82
Trip Length (Weeks) 11.7
Total Distance (km) 19202
Average Kilometres per Day 295

Average Petrol price (£/Ltr) $1.00
Fuel Economy (Litres per 100km) 5.2
Average Daily Fuel Cost $15.36
Total Fuel Cost $1,259.65

Average Cost Camping $10.00
Nights Camping 52
Average Cost Hotel $40.00
Nights Hotel 30
Total Lodging Cost $1,720.00

Average Food Cost Travelling $15.00
Average Food Cost Visiting $37.50
Total Food Cost $1,897.71

Average Daily Personal Spending Travelling $10.00
Average Daily Personal Spending Visiting $25.00
Total Personal Spending $1,270.00

$6,147.37

I need to do a little more research on fuel price to get more accurate. The budget assumes a bike already fully prepared and equipped and doesn't take into account miscellaneous costs such as gifts, accident/breakdown, laundry, insurance, bribes, visas, ferries and tolls. I'd probably want access to another $1,000 or so on top to make certain that I've got all of that covered and you know what they say, "halve the kit and double the money", though baring disaster, I can't imagine out trip is going to be significantly more expensive.
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Went through Kazachstan, Russia and Mongolia; camping in the wild and hotel if we wanted a shower. Gasoline app. 1 euro/liter, hotel app. 5-10 euro p.p.
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I've been some budgeting for a trip to Mongolia. There's a spreadsheet on the site here (can't find it now) but using and adapting that, I've come up with a basic budget of around $6,000 (£4,000). That's just under the £50 per day prediction and covers fuel (19,000 kms), accommodation (82 days, camping/hostel during the week or when on the move and cheap but decent hotel at weekends or whenever stopped for a couple of days), food and personal spending money.

Trip Length (Days) 82
Trip Length (Weeks) 11.7
Total Distance (km) 19202
Average Kilometres per Day 295

Average Petrol price (£/Ltr) $1.00
Fuel Economy (Litres per 100km) 5.2
Average Daily Fuel Cost $15.36
Total Fuel Cost $1,259.65

Average Cost Camping $10.00
Nights Camping 52
Average Cost Hotel $40.00
Nights Hotel 30
Total Lodging Cost $1,720.00

Average Food Cost Travelling $15.00
Average Food Cost Visiting $37.50
Total Food Cost $1,897.71

Average Daily Personal Spending Travelling $10.00
Average Daily Personal Spending Visiting $25.00
Total Personal Spending $1,270.00

$6,147.37

I need to do a little more research on fuel price to get more accurate. The budget assumes a bike already fully prepared and equipped and doesn't take into account miscellaneous costs such as gifts, accident/breakdown, laundry, insurance, bribes, visas, ferries and tolls. I'd probably want access to another $1,000 or so on top to make certain that I've got all of that covered and you know what they say, "halve the kit and double the money", though baring disaster, I can't imagine out trip is going to be significantly more expensive.

You're over estimating costs! Like I did...put it this way I spent £16-£18 a day less when I went camping more if I stayed in hotels.

Put it this way, fuel is 20-30 roubles (50p) a litre, camping is free.

150 roules ~ £3 will buy a fairly hefy meal at a Kafe. 20 roubles will buy 2 packs of instant noodles. I usually ate twice a day.

The team who crossed Russia in 2008 spent £28 a day and they larged it across Russia in hotels.

Pivas will cost 30-50 roubles though, vodka can be had for pennies.. don't speed and keep the headlight on and you'll pay no bribes....
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Just to throw something in the pot....... if you're riding from the UK Istanbul is 3000 miles and then approx 1500 miles to Georgia.
The fuel prices in Europe are now higher than the UK and Turkey was about £1.60 a litre when we came through in March this year!
So a round trip just to the east of Turkey is going to cost you about a grand in fuel if you're getting 50 to the gallon?
Don't know about the north route out/after Europe, never been that way :-)

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Just to throw something in the pot....... if you're riding from the UK Istanbul is 3000 miles and then approx 1500 miles to Georgia.
The fuel prices in Europe are now higher than the UK and Turkey was about £1.60 a litre when we came through in March this year!
So a round trip just to the east of Turkey is going to cost you about a grand in fuel if you're getting 50 to the gallon?
Don't know about the north route out/after Europe, never been that way :-)

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I've no doubt it's gone up since then! How's £1.70 sound for 2000 miles
I have a friend who lives in Turkey, i'll speak to him now and post todays price.

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I've been some budgeting for a trip to Mongolia. There's a spreadsheet on the site here (can't find it now) but using and adapting that, I've come up with a basic budget of around $6,000 (£4,000). That's just under the £50 per day prediction and covers fuel (19,000 kms), accommodation (82 days, camping/hostel during the week or when on the move and cheap but decent hotel at weekends or whenever stopped for a couple of days), food and personal spending money.
Based on my experience from this summer going through Russia, Kazkahstan and Mongolia and then back to Finland your overestimating your budget.

I would put more camping nights and most certainly you wont be using 15 USD per day for camping food in Russia or Mongolia nor $37. Cut that in half and your about correct price range.

Also accommadation is very cheap in Russia and Mongolia. We also only took hotel when we felt that we needed shower but mostly we actually preferred to camp outside in plains rather than some small hotel where we would have to worry about security of bikes etc.

One hint is to get camping food rations for Mongolia part. Most common food sold in stores in Mongolia is korean instant noodles. You get kind of boring of them. Another option is to cook pasta and mix there what you can find from stores.
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Ive been wanting to do a trip to mongolia, or maybe even as far as Magadan, for 2 years now, and surprise surprise i still dont have the funds. But, if you were to do this trip, taking in eastern europe, mongolia and russia, would £50 a day sound reasonable? I was hoping to ride as far east as i could for 6 to 8 weeks, then turn around. Would rather just ride back and enjoy the bike than spend on shipping and flights etc.

Camping most nights, simple food, fuel etc. I would maybe struggle with that in europe where fuel is expensive tho.
I did 70 days / 24 000km journey to Mongolia and Stans this year and avg. costs were 36€/d including all.
We camped 2/3 and use hostels or guesthouse when need shower or when it was very rainy.
We try to avoid citys and crowded places.
We also use dry frozen food and just bought bread, water, chees etc.
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