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Old 15 May 2012
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Made a big mistake in Kaz need help

Hi All,

I crossed into Kaz today without getting insurance at the border. Forgot all about checking on it with everything else going on.

I got pulled over on the way into Uralsk and copper said (I think) that it was available in town. He let me go after while (I think he wanted a bribe).

So question is where to get it? What sign am I specifically looking for? The girl at the hotel reception said to go to the police station is that correct? Or am I better off going back to the border to get it.

Things are only going to get worse I think if I continue without it.

Sorry for posting up such an ametuer mistake. I feel like a right royal idiot.

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Ok well yesterday's post was clearly made as I was freaking out a little.

I wasn't too sure what the cop who pulled me over was trying to say. Either he was telling me it was a $200 fine and I would have my license and registration papers taken away or he was telling me if I didn't pay him $200 that what he was going to do. Either way after about five minutes he let me go.

So insurance was easy in the end. Much easier than Russia. I got at it Alatau Insurance (Click here) in Cyrillic that is Алатау fairly easy to find at 43/1 Dosmukhamedov str, Uralsk which is on the cnr with Dostyk Avenue not where Google shows it.

Girl who did the work was very helpful and spoke enough English to get through it and it only cost about $12.

So after all that the border crossing was easy and and so was gettting insurance.

Oh and Insuance Company is СТРАХОВАЯ КОМПАНИУ.

After feeling like a complete tool yesterday I am some what happier today. Still a stupid mistake to make though. Google was my friend.

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Good that you solved it, but I'm sure the cop only wanted a bribe.

I'm very respectful in general terms, so don't feel proud of it and had never considered it anywhere else, but in Kazakhstan I systematically skipped all police controls. Just slowed down a little when arriving to them and waved while passing, accelerating away . Or did hid behind the previous vehicle, so they did not really had time to stop me. They never came behind to chase me, since all they wanted was a bribe.

Don't recommend it, but it may be a temptation when you are already quite fed up. I'm one of those in a crusade of not paying a bribe -although in some remote places I might accept it as their salary-, so it was such a pain!
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Thanks for that! Everyday brings a new experience! I suppose am I a bit of an ametuer. It is the first time I have been asked for bribe and all my big talk about refusing still left me shaking in my boots. I guess next time I will just play even stupider. Especially now I have the proper paperwork.

All That said. I enjoyed my ride yesterday. I know Kazakstan's big open plains and the wind that goes with aren't everyone's cup of tea. But after six weeks of people and cars and traffic from London to Samara. I was very happy with the nothingness. Made me think about riding from Birdsville to Windorah or the bottom of the Strezlecki track.
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In 2007 we had to pay $90 each for not having stamped the white paper you get at the border within 3 days at it says on the back. So watch out for that too.

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Thanks for that! Everyday brings a new experience! I suppose am I a bit of an ametuer. It is the first time I have been asked for bribe and all my big talk about refusing still left me shaking in my boots. I guess next time I will just play even stupider. Especially now I have the proper paperwork.

No, you aren't, I've never been that far on a bike, so happy to learn myself from your experience.


A funny stupid way to react to bribes is when asked "Ruski" (if you speak Russian), insist in "no, no ruski, SPANSKI" (no, I'm not Russian, I'm Spanish). You can repeat the game 10 times, so you look definitely retarded (I actually could understand a bit, so it's even more fun!).

Once, for a speeding fine (totally untrue) my last resort was this sequence: the Spanski retarded finally shows astonishment when he understands the speeding problem (the cop had showed me the radar pistol like 10 times in his hand), then shouts, blames, looks at the sky (hand together, amen, praying, asking God why this crap car???), mimics showing it's a s*it of slow car, sitting in front of the wheel, looking at the watch and yawning, "speeding this???? now way, it's so slow" and then finally kicks one side of the car among swearing shouts. Russian cop reaction: this guy is a lost case definitely idiot, "ok, davai, davai, davai!"

Happy trips and keep us posted if any progress on bribe avoiding techniques!

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Last we were invited to stay at someones house for a couple of nights. Whatever you can stay about the problems with governance in Kazakhstan. It is more than made up for by the generosity of the people who live here. We lobbed up at a supermarket in Aktobe last night for some supplies and ended up with a bed for two nights.

One of the suggestion I now have is to have a running video camera. It scares the cops and they leave you alone.
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Ummm... videocamera, interesting, but may be tricky in some cases, so big smile. Add this: not looking angry, but puzzled, you get your mobile and say "call Embassy/Consulate?" meaning that they could help as translators. Magic words.

I don't know if there is a thread like "Means to avoid a (totally unjustified) bribe". I mean unjustified since many say in some remote borders, officials unpaid for several months actually have to live on that, so it's already customary to accept a small fee.
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Hello
I will be in the area this summer, and i think you have done partf of the route I want to ride, from Uralsk to Aqtobe. The question is about the road conditions of this part of the M32. Is it good? How many days riding from Uralsk to Aqtobe?
Then I will drive north through A22, do you know how the road is?
Thanks for the info and have a good ride
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Days? You need 7-8 hours to do it. Tarmac, loto of holes. Thats all.
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Sambor, do you have information of road which was build in 2010 between Aktobe to Aral (it was then under construction) and i was wondering how it is now.
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Days? You need 7-8 hours to do it. Tarmac, loto of holes. Thats all.

I supossed it...but I didn´t know how the road was...it could be as bad as the Atyrau-Aqtobe...
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I supossed it...but I didn´t know how the road was...it could be as bad as the Atyrau-Aqtobe...
Most of it is great. It is only the last 120-150s into Aktobe that is ordinary. New bits are being built at the moment, so it will steadily improve.

The whole of the Kazakhstan bit of the Western-China to Western-Europe hwy is due to be completed by the end of next year. That will make the Uralsk-Aktobe-Aral etc to Alamty an easy (but dull) run. Some bikers I met outside Aktobe 2 weeks ago had done Aral sea route and it said it was still crap and not much fuel. They had been to the Pamir before that.
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I just spent two weeks crossing kazakhstan, uralsk to aktobe is good, and then aktobe to about 50 miles north of aral is newish, then the roadworks/detours start north of aral on and off Passed baikonur to symkhent, various sections of gravel light compacted sand, not too bad on an xt, courrugations worsen near baikonur, then improve the closer to almaty you get, almaty north to astana is all good.

All the signs say completion date march 2013.

Incidentally i never did buy insuranc in kaz, was stopped oncE for an illegal turn, he was happy enough with my visa and the dumb tourist routine. Even though the kazakhs searched me at the pavlodar-novosibirsk border it was again never mentioned, and they were polite enough about it, the russian side was even more efficient, even had my migration card filled out for me, oh the luxury
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I just spent two weeks crossing kazakhstan, uralsk to aktobe is good, and then aktobe to about 50 miles north of aral is newish, then the roadworks/detours start north of aral on and off Passed baikonur to symkhent, various sections of gravel light compacted sand, not too bad on an xt, courrugations worsen near baikonur, then improve the closer to almaty you get, almaty north to astana is all good.
Thanks for this update!

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Incidentally i never did buy insuranc in kaz, was stopped oncE for an illegal turn, he was happy enough with my visa and the dumb tourist routine. Even though the kazakhs searched me at the pavlodar-novosibirsk border it was again never mentioned, and they were polite enough about it, the russian side was even more efficient, even had my migration card filled out for me, oh the luxury
So what paperwork do you actually have to get done at the border (entering Kazakhstan from China this Friday, hopefully)? Stamp on migration card (white paper). Anything else? Is insurance mandatory?

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