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Getting a bit personal Colebatch?
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Let me guess, you are like the cheerleader for the Helge Pedersen fan club, right?
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I have never even been a member of any fan-club.
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And you have trouble accepting what anyone else does, post Helge, as having any validity?
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A lot of people (including you) have done (and will do) great trips. I don't have a problem with that, I love it!
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Do you even know what roads those lines (on Helge Pedersen's map) in Siberia represent? I think if you did, you would not have had this conversation.
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Sorry, I don't get your point.
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Everything you ever reference, from reasons you need a BMW boxer to travel round the world, or the reason you need metal boxes, and now even a map of Siberia ... you take straight from Helge Pedersen. (If Helge uses a BMW boxer and metal boxes, then its good enough for me ... why do I need to think, when I can just copy Helge, right?)
Do you have any opinions of your own? Or are you a straight disciple?
The key question is ... Are you capable of having a discussion about adventure motorcycling without reference to Helge Pedersen?
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That's a nice one, you start to write about Helge and then you blame me.
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This thread started because I asked questions like "Why do you think you are "the first"?" and "How is that possible to know?". I'm not to proud to say that I've learned a lot from your answers. Thank you!
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Sorry, I don't get your point.
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Well I didnt get the point of putting up a map of Helge Pedersens travels, in response to Tony suggesting you get out of your armchair - as if we wouldnt recognise that it wasnt Helge Pedersens map, not yours.
A map which in any case is unrelated to the point of attempting the whole BAM ... as the forum had already earlier collectively dismissed your deliberately vague suggestion that Helge Pedersen had attempted the whole BAM
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This thread started because I asked questions like "Why do you think you are "the first"?" and "How is that possible to know?".
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And I thought your question was adequately answered in the first few responses ... but you chose to go on, and on, and on ...
And then you came up with this ...
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Several people did this in the 90s
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Which you just made up right? You made it up to try and discredit what Tony had said. You literally made something up because you didnt like Tony's answer.
I mean ... come on! Thats just being ridiculous.
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I think enough has been said for people to make up their own minds.
HUBBers aren't fools.
Let's all leave it at that, sooner than try to make a bigger hole or dig a way out of it.
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Well I didnt get the point of putting up a map of Helge Pedersens travels, in response to Tony suggesting you get out of your armchair - as if we wouldnt recognise that it wasnt Helge Pedersens map, not yours.
A map which in any case is unrelated to the point of attempting the whole BAM ... as the forum had already earlier dismissed your deliberately vague suggestion that Helge Pedersen had attempted the whole BAM
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Do you really believe that I tried to trick you with the map?
As I wrote earlier I have never suggested that Helge attempted the whole BAM-route. In fact I didn't know that he had traveled that much in Russia.
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And I thought your question was adequately answered in the first few responses ... but you chose to go on, and on, and on ...
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Yes, on and on all by myself. Sorry about that.
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And then you came up with this ...
Which you just made up right? You made it up to try and discredit what Tony had said. You literally made something up because you didnt like Tony's answer.
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The thing is that I don't see any reason to discredit Tony. I referred to an article I have read in a magazine.
If you check the post I wrote this before Tony answered my question so it's not a response to his answer.
Edit: Didn't see Tonys last post before I posted.
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Well said Tony. Advrider has a separate forum for moving threads to that have degenerated like this, whilst I much prefer HU on the whole maybe that is something worth borrowing!
That said they also had a thread on where the best place to put your handgun was whilst adventure riding - something I def don't want to see in our land of peace and love on two wheels!
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Well said Tony. Advrider has a separate forum for moving threads to that have degenerated like this, whilst I much prefer HU on the whole maybe that is something worth borrowing!
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I feel this thread may not be all peace, love and harmony, but it hasn't "degenerated" to be parked somewhere else (out of view?). There are 2 distinct sides to the discussion and I assume, as Tony has suggested, it's best, at this point, to agree to disagree. Both sides have expressed their views and future readers can decide what side of the fence they are on.
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Im a little bit confused by the whole arguement here regarding research use of the internet ect to prove anything, we know what walter did its heavily documented.
But any that came before the internet doing a first off trip or even a very strange trip would also in all likleyhood be documented. There are trips that are now on the internet by people going back to the first days of motorbike travel, magazines have been around since well before the 80s, newspapers have been around, people write books,local and national television may also have reported it. The idea that no one in teh motorcycle community has refrenced any previous trips on the internet is very strange, even from just a prep point of view
And if Im not mistaken the early times when russia opened up those that travelled were very well documented and restricted in movement by the russians to certain areas. The early 80s was not exactly a time when the russians would be very happy with anyone poking about freely in restricted areas or areas which may show them off in a bad light.
It is rather silly to continue the arguement when you can not provide any info regarding anyone else that has done it before.
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D'oh, good point Chris. I did'n't mean to place it out of view just under another topic as I felt it had gone off the original one by some margin.
That's another inherent problems with threads - hard to backtrack on what's been typed! At least when I say something regrettable in the pub only the people there at the time heard it 
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Keep it civil
Just a reminder, folks:
Keep the debate civil and on topic. 
Please refrain from comments on the personalities of other posters. 
I encourage serious debate, but don't attack each other for difference of opinion.
I would like to limit my moderation to removing spam and editing email addresses in posts. But the whole thread gets booted to the Bar if it gets beyond a certain point. 
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oh dear, perhaps the whole trip was just a bad dream.
I was definately the first out of my side of the bed this morning though. 
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oh dear, perhaps the whole trip was just a bad dream.
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You were always the early riser!
Thinking along those lines I realise I can't claim to be first or even second 
- you two guys were mostly riding ahead of me. Doh!
How about the oldest? 
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We were all in it together Tony.
Whatever anybody else thinks, they were the some most amazing, probably never to be repeated, few weeks of my life. 
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Live and let live
And I thought that maybe there might have been some useful information on this thread. I should have just jumped on my bike and gone for a ride, it would have been much more satisfying.
Come on people, open forums aren't the places for petty, individual arguments.
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Oh, it wasn't so bad to read.
The decorum of the forum was nice to witness.
As HenryUK said, you can't take things back once they've been posted.
Things like off-handed remarks that seemingly cannot be substantiated.
We all know Neil Armstrong was not the first. When he got their a Gujurati with a chai cart was waiting. 
It takes a decent person to offer an apology and a decent one to accept it.
Letting HUBBers decide is probably best.
Enjoy your maps and your rides.
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We all know Neil Armstrong was not the first. When he got their a Gujurati with a chai cart was waiting.
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The Gujurati chap wasn't the first either, unless he arrived before 1945... It was a Mr Adolf H. There's even a newspaper article to prove it.
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