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Dangerous Goods Form

Can anyone offer some help filling out a Dangerous Goods Form for Air Canada. I am shipping my bike from St.John's (YYT) Newfoundland to Manchester (MAN) UK.
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err... exactly what do you need to know?

It's often worth getting an agent to do it - the cost is low, and often the airline won't take ANY "dangerous goods" item from an individual - only agents.

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err... exactly what do you need to know?

It's often worth getting an agent to do it - the cost is low, and often the airline won't take ANY "dangerous goods" item from an individual - only agents.

Thankyou. All fixed up, the documentation requires standard compliance and carriers are very particular. Anyone in my region needing info on this can write me.

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Good to hear you got sorted ok.

So are you going to tell us about your trip so I can post it in the ezine?

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Good to hear you got sorted ok.

So are you going to tell us about your trip so I can post it in the ezine?

Sure, it's a pretty straightforward itinarary around the Iberian Coast and back to Bilbao along the Pyranees, then ferry back to the UK. Then air back to Newfoundland.
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Jim,

When are you leaving - and who's with you? How long you planning on taking? Riding?



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Folks, here's a bit of information that might help you save a lot of trouble with Dangerous Goods forms:

Under IATA and ICAO regulations, the air carrier is strictly forbidden from filling in the DG form on behalf of the shipper. But, this means that they cannot put the pen to the paper themselves.

There is, however, no rule that prevents the air carrier staff from explaining to you how YOU should fill in the form - for example, telling you where the information goes, and so forth. In other words, it is perfectly OK for them to guide you, be nice, answer your questions, as long as they are not "prompting" you or "guiding your hand" in any way.

A motorcycle is classified as a "Vehicle, Flammable Liquid Powered", and has a UN classification number of 3166. This information needs to go on the DG form, so remember it.

It also needs a class 9 (miscellaneous) diamond shaped DG sticker, which the shipper will usually (though not always) provide.

The rest of the info required on the form is pretty much self-explanatory.

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Pan European is correct, "some" helpful Airline cargo Offices will explain how to fill out a D.G. form. I have done a few now and they are all standard (I keep copies).
The latest regulations, However, call for a 24Hour Emergency number on the form. This "legally" eliminates the private shipper. But... if you have a mobile phone... you are automatically informed of any problem with your shipment. Its usually bad news though... Cheers, Cameron

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The 24 hour emergency phone number requirement should not restrict or inconvenience the private shipper in any way.

The requirement, which was introduced a few years ago, applies to all shipments of DG's. It is intended to provide airline personnel with a source of information about how to handle problems encountered enroute with DGs' - for example, if some chemical with a name 50 letters and 10 syllables long leaks, how do you clean it up, and what precautions do you take?

For a motorcycle (or, more correctly, a 'vehicle, flammable liquid powered), just about any fool can figure out that it has some residual gasoline in it, some motor oil, and a wet cell battery. It's pretty doubtful that the airline would ever call your emergency number to get urgent advice about what precautions to take if the bike fell over in the belly of the plane.

Just give them your parent's number, or your brother or sister's number, or any other residential number where it is likely the phone will be answered H24. Tell the family member that the object you are shipping is a functional motorcycle. That will more than meet the letter and the spirit of the regulations.

NB: If the motorcycle is broken down and crated, and has NO FLUIDS in it of any kind (no brake fluid, no fuel, no battery, no coolant, no front fork fluid, no air in the tires, no nothing), then it isn't DG, it's automotive parts.

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When i flew my bike Melbourne to Amsterdam I was told that if the bike had been used it was DG. It wasn't enough to drain fluids. That oil had been in the cases and fuel in the tank was enough.

With the DG certificate it flew with a quarter of a tank of petrol, battery connected and in place, just strapped securely into its crate with a this way up sign. DG formalities were easier than the fluid hassles.

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Thanks to everyone who gave help with this.
We are going to the UK then on to Santander, Spain, via sea ferry. We will then a ride around the Iberian Peninsula, Portugal, Spain, Andorra, returning to Santander along the French/Spanish border mountain route. Depature set for May 21 to UK, 25th to Spain return when the cash runs out.
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Just a note on D.G.s When I flew my bike from Auckland back to Vancouver in 2003, it went Air New Zealand to L.A. then supposed to be Air Canada to Van. My emergency number was called by a conscientiuos Air New Zealand cargo handler in L.A. when Air Canada refused to carry the bike because the weight was written down as "net" not "Gross" on the D.G. form (it was unpalleted, so that was the gross weight).
After four Days of Air Canada refusing to fly it (dozens of phone calls, and they weigh it before it goes on anyway) I contacted Cathay Pacific, who had it in Vancouver six hours later...
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Another reason to pay for big ticket expenses by credit card. If they don't keep up their side of the bargain tell the credit card company to cancel the payment. It costs nothing to do this.

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Or, more to the point, another reason to use a handling service. Although I work in the industry, I would not ship the bike by myself (meaning, myself as a shipper) - just about every time it has been airfreighted in the past, something has happened, and it sure has been nice to just phone Gail at Motorcycle Express and ask her to look after it for me...

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Agreed - paasing the problem to someone else like Gail that they are used to dealing with - and would like more business from - is a big help.

Don't forget to mention Horizons Unlimited when you use Motorcycle Express!

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