Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Morocco

Morocco Topics specific to Morocco, including Western Sahara west of the berm
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Calendar Contest Voting is now CLOSED. Results to be posted shortly.


Morocco Overland: From the Atlas to the Sahara - 4WD, Motorcycle, Van, Mountain Bike

Like Tree3Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 10 Feb 2012
Tim Cullis's Avatar
Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Putney, SW London
Posts: 1,327
Can you please resize or crop your graphic (or use the version below) as it makes reading and responding almost impossible.



Where did you get the map? Is this the Garmin Topo (as opposed to the Olaf topo)? I suspect some of the routes
shown are footpaths or mule tracks.

I don't know whether the route you show in magenta actually connects with Oukaimdene, when you look on Google Earth
it starts off OK but disappears. You'll note the suspicious straight section and the contour lines just north of the
'unpaved road' label are too close (i.e. too steep for a vehicle). But by all means prove me wrong.

The backdoor piste to Oukaimdene that I've used leaves the tarmac at N31 14.593 W7 54.780 which is earlier than
your magenta route. It starts off as a nice blue (non technical) track however there's a definitely tricky technical section
about 4km along the track. I recorded it as a black (expert) rather than a red (technical). However, conditions do
change, and of course you always have the opportunity to do some piste rebuilding work before tackling stages (grin).

Re your green route: there's a tarmac road, then a piste to the top of the Tizi n'Eddi (I did this on a trek several years
before the new piste was dug out about four years ago). But as of about 18 months ago, the link that you show from
the Tizi n'Eddi south to Tagaddirt just doesn't exist unless you are a mule. I've climbed it on foot but you only have to
look at the contour lines to work out that it's impossible as a vehicular route.
__________________
"For sheer delight there is nothing like altitude; it gives one the thrill of adventure
and enlarges the world in which you live,"
Irving Mather (1892-1966)

Access the Morocco Knowledgebase

Last edited by Tim Cullis; 10 Feb 2012 at 11:16.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 10 Feb 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lj, Slovenia
Posts: 68
Hi, Tim. When was too late I saw map is 1920x1200 px. Now I will resize all to 1024x768 px and hope it will be Ok. Sorry about my poor English, but I will try to explain.

Garmin map Morocco-Topo v2 is bought from Touratech. It is routabile with same and more tracks as in Olaf v1.5. Someone add bigger city's street navigation too. So it looks like mixure Olaf 1.5 with CN North Africa 2012. I spot that in this "new" (from 2009) map are not so many hotel signs as in v1.5 or in CN, but much more tracks included. Also walking tracks are in. That was reason I asked you if it is possible to pass mount M'Goun. Tour guide from Ouozoud falls said to me that moroccans building new piste over M'Goun which should go up near 4.000 m a.s.l. ??? Can you check this info at your moroccan friends, please?

Here is same map without tracks. "Magenta" is not connected to the pass of Oukameiden ...



But when I photograph from Oukameiden view spot (200-300 m West from restaurants platoe) I saw gravel piste going down ... Looks like "magenta" piste.

Direction to Toubkal: mid-down is gravel piste direction Asni ???


direction bit to North - same piste


Upper parking place. Near ski lifts. Follows one piste. I thik this is "green" one. I do not understand you well. Is it possible to ride from Asni over Tizi-n-Eddi to Oukameiden on 1200gs?


Thomas
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 10 Feb 2012
Tim Cullis's Avatar
Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Putney, SW London
Posts: 1,327


The nifty bit of image resizing above mixes a bit your magenta route with what's actually on the ground. The junction of piste and tarmac at W30029.3 is the scene of your second photograph.

The green route leading south is initially tarmac (halfway along is the ski lift shown in your third photo) and it then climbs in a steep piste to the top of the Tizi n'Eddi. At the top you overlook the next valley but there's no way down on a bike.

There are some other high pistes in the area, the one climbing Jebel Ouhattr is an example, there's another nearby.

Going back to your larger Garmin Topo map, the tarmac road from Asni to Imlil now continues way past Imlil, over the Tizi n'Tamatert (video below) and into the next valley.



The dotted line shown running from there, northwest to Asni is fine on a bike.

I'll be in the area in a couple of weeks, might take another look if it's not too cold in the mountains.

Tim
__________________
"For sheer delight there is nothing like altitude; it gives one the thrill of adventure
and enlarges the world in which you live,"
Irving Mather (1892-1966)

Access the Morocco Knowledgebase

Last edited by Tim Cullis; 10 Feb 2012 at 20:32.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 10 Feb 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lj, Slovenia
Posts: 68
Thank's Bertrand and special to you Tim. Plane is returning into Morocco this June and ride as much as possible by Chris book routes or part of them: MH-1, 3, 2; MH-4, 5; MS-6, 8; MA-3, 1, 2; your Imlil-Tizi n'Tamatert-Asni; MH-7; MS-9 and your Azilal-Chatedral-Beni Melal.

If we meet us there, should drink a pint of
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 10 Feb 2012
Tim Cullis's Avatar
Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Putney, SW London
Posts: 1,327
Reading the contour lines is key for working out what are viable routes. Then checking what might be viable with Google Earth to see if you can see the track on the ground.

I'll also be in Morocco in June, so who knows... June will be the second trip with my son-in-law. Last year's trip was the first time he had been on a motorbike since passing his bike test four years earlier, and the video below shows what I subjected him to on his first day in Morocco.

I have to admit I did wonder whether he would make it...

__________________
"For sheer delight there is nothing like altitude; it gives one the thrill of adventure
and enlarges the world in which you live,"
Irving Mather (1892-1966)

Access the Morocco Knowledgebase
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 10 Feb 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lj, Slovenia
Posts: 68
Your son-in-law should made something terrible wrong you forced him over flooded track :-) In Chris book: Morocco Overland page 91: Better wet boots than everything else too or even worse scenario ...

Every time when visit unknown terrain, I use Google Earth to check track condition. But not be possible to check everywhere.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 12 Apr 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lj, Slovenia
Posts: 68
In June will be with company in Morocco again. This time we will ride 1x KTM 990adv, 2x 1200gsA (all SLO) and 2x F-800gs from friends from UK. All on Conti TKC. One UK friend is not so confident in off-road ridding. I have some worried about two sections. First goes from Taza direction south over Tizi n'Zabel, just 20 km gravel/rocky piste. When checking situation on Google-Earth seams piste has no tricky parts. But piste from Demnate->Tizi n'Amarskine->Tirsal->Iskad->piste to Chatedral is different story. Does anyone knows piste conditions of that part. If it is too technical seams better going around to Azlilal, then South towards the piste to Chatedral. Any ideas?

Map of first section South from Taza


and second Demnate to Chatedral
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 12 Apr 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 234
The first leg you are asking for I think is almost tarmac, only near tizi BouZabel there is gravel but not difficult.

Tomorrow som friends depart to see your second leg, grrr! I must be with them. I´ll say anything when they arrive
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 12 Apr 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lj, Slovenia
Posts: 68
Many thank's Pera, I will wait for your latest report from not so easy part from Demnate towards Chatedral. I saw only pictures with very hard technical terrain on that part.

Thomas
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 12 Apr 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 234
Ok, they depart tomorrow I was going with them but it´s imposible
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 15 Apr 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lj, Slovenia
Posts: 68
Pera, did not understand well. You tryed this section, but was not possible to pass or something else was happen? Mud slides or ... force you turning back?

Do you think this part should be passable end of June? Thank's for explanations.

Thomas
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 15 Apr 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 234
Ok, with an image is easier



I began at Azilal last summer. This week my friends are trying on the reverse sense to Demnate.

Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 15 Apr 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lj, Slovenia
Posts: 68
Pera, your picture is on second part of route. Chatedral piste. I know there are no tecnical problems at all.

What about firs part from Demnate over Tizi Amarskine, Tirsal ??? This one should be big problem. Need info's from that part. Tnx

Thomas
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 15 Apr 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 234
Next Monday, when my friends arrive.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 17 Apr 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Palhais, Portugal
Posts: 49
Routes Ait-Herbil to Tafraoute Ma2 and Ma1

Any news on the condition of the routes MA2 and MA1 from Cris Scott's Book ?

A while ago I was told that route MA2 was closed due to a land slide, does any one now if it has reopen ?

Otherwise would route ma1 be a good alternative ?



Uploaded with ImageShack.us
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Morocco: Where to stay - please contribute Chris Scott Morocco 76 3 Weeks Ago 13:47
Spain, Portugal and Morocco off road Andysr6 Route Planning 4 10 Jan 2012 20:23
Niger - Chad- Cameroon Road Conditions ? chris.perjalanan sub-Saharan Africa 14 19 Dec 2011 15:52
Morocco - Erg Chebbi, near Merzouga, south Morocco Bertrand Bike Friendly, Africa 0 29 Dec 2009 09:03
Morocco - Camping in Morocco vtrking Bike Friendly, Africa 10 16 Dec 2007 15:28

 
 



HU DVD Spring Special!

Buy the Achievable Dream Collectors Set and get Road Heroes Part 1 FREE!

Achievable Dream - The Whole Enchilada!

Cooped up indoors in crap weather? Binge watch over 20 hours of inspiring, informative and entertaining stories and tips from 150 travellers! Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to order them both and use Coupon Code 'BoxSet+' on your order when you checkout.


What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders


contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!




New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.



Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!






All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:40.