Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Middle East

Middle East Topics specific to the Middle East countries, from Syria south to Yemen
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12 Jun 2006
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Taupo, New Zealand
Posts: 194
Smile UK Plates - Red Rag to a Bull?

I'm about to get a new license plate for my UK-registered bike. Would the Euro symbol with 'GB' to the side be a bit provocative for riding in the mid-East (Syria, Iran, Jordan), given Tony's adventurism in Iraq, or would the locals not be bothered? Thoughts?

Cheers,
James
__________________
James Courtier
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12 Jun 2006
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Nantes, France
Posts: 397
Talking

I rode through bits of the ME and no one ever mentioned it - I really doubt that many people understand what GB stands for. It's not their language after all, and everyone in the world calls the UK "England" anyway: GB is an anomaly, if you think about it.

Furthermore,

1. most people on the planet are able to distinguish between the actions/responsibilities of governments and those of citizens - or "subjects" in your case.

2. you'll find that people in the ME are very well informed about world politics, and know of the mass anti-war sentiment in the UK.

I suggest that if you're worried, just puts lots of other country stickers on the rear of your bike to lessen the impact of the GB sticker and show what an internationalist you are.

Simon
__________________
Simon Kennedy
Around the world 2000-2004, on a 1993 Honda Transalp
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12 Jun 2006
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: bristol, uk
Posts: 60
do you even need one?

I was hoping to achieve anonymity by not having a country sticker on the back at all.

more due to an irrational hatred of gb stickers.

("is this a bad idea?" he asked tentatively)

dan
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 13 Jun 2006
Caminando's Avatar
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: DogZone Country
Posts: 1,227
Smile Yes! No!

Quote:
Originally Posted by scdan3
I was hoping to achieve anonymity by not having a country sticker on the back at all.

more due to an irrational hatred of gb stickers.

("is this a bad idea?" he asked tentatively)

dan
I agree with you there, Dan. My answer is to cut off the GB part, leaving only the Euro stars. You can do this when you make up your own plates.

As for Simon's post, everybody in the world does not say UK meaning England. Some people, often English people, make this howler, as they dont know the name of their own country. But others are more informed.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 13 Jun 2006
brclarke's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Victoria, BC, CA
Posts: 503
It's a good question. I would think someone with a licence plate from a country that is relatively neutral (say, Norway or Italy) would have fewer problems than a plate from some other countries.
__________________
Bruce Clarke --- 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (black)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 13 Jun 2006
Stephano's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Abu Dhabi
Posts: 897
Quote:
Originally Posted by brclarke
It's a good question. I would think someone with a licence plate from a country that is relatively neutral (say, Norway or Italy) would have fewer problems than a plate from some other countries.
Yes, go for one of those Scandinavian countries like Denmark.
Stephan
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 13 Jun 2006
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Nantes, France
Posts: 397
You could probably get away with not having a plate at all yeah. It is illegal though. But like most of these customes matters, the police are unlikely to know this.

Yeah okay Dennis, not *everyone* calls the UK "England" abroad. I find that I need wild exaggeration to make people listen to me.

But most people I met in north america, most (over 30 years of age) Europeans, absolutely everyone in south america, the middle east, and even many in the Indian subcontinent did make this mistake. "The United Kingdom" is the least known name in the world for the countries, and bits of countries, that make up the state.

Simon
__________________
Simon Kennedy
Around the world 2000-2004, on a 1993 Honda Transalp
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 13 Jun 2006
Stephano's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Abu Dhabi
Posts: 897
This Scepter'd Isle

GB is the international licence plate code for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland can be shortened to the United Kingdom or the UK

The countries of the United Kingdom are England, Scotland, Wales and, for the foreseeable future, Northern Ireland.

Great Britain is the island comprising England, Scotland, and Wales. It is not a correct synonym for the UK.

‘The British Isles’ is a term for the islands off the northwest coast of Europe, including Great Britain, the Isle of Man (where the TT is held), Ireland (where for historical and political reasons the phrase is rarely used) and numerous smaller islands. Again, the British Isles is not synonymous with the United Kingdom.

Shakespeare put it best: “This scepter'd isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars ... This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England". It won’t fit across my panniers though.

Stephan
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 13 Jun 2006
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Taupo, New Zealand
Posts: 194
Thumbs up

Thanks for the replies guys - seems like it's a non-issue, so I'll be getting a plate with the EU symbol + GB.

Cheers,
James
__________________
James Courtier
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 14 Jun 2006
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Settling into PE, RSA
Posts: 318
The UK number palt does not have to have the EU GB sticker on it. The only new legal requirement is that the numberplate must have the issuing companies details on (free advertising). This I know becasue I got rear ended on Monday and bought my new plate yesterday.

When I do eventually go on my trip I will be putting a very small inconspicuous GB sticker near the numberplate, which I might loose along the way, and a HUGE ZA sticker on the back of one of my panniers. If someone asks then I'll simply say I thought it had to indicate the nationalility of the driver and not the country of registration of the bike.
__________________
If there's a will there's a way so I will anyway!
http://www.buyaikhaya.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 14 Jun 2006
Matt Cartney's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland
Posts: 1,351
Hi.
Just came back from Iran and had a GB sticker and St. Andrews Cross on my panniers and another St. Andrews Cross on the front of the bike (we Scots are a proud race for some reason). No problems whatsoever with hassle.
In fact I disagree with those people who try to disguise their nationality. I found the first thing people do is look at the back of your bike to try to work out where you are from and, wherever you come from, your nationality is a point of interest and introduction to people.
I also like to think that in a very small way people who might not be so freindly towards the Brits will see me (with my flagged up bike) grinning and sharing tea and generally getting on with their countrymen and think "Maybe the Brits are just like us..." Which, indeed, we are.
Be a mini peace envoy for your country!
Matt
__________________
http://adventure-writing.blogspot.com

http://scotlandnepal.blogspot.com/

*Disclaimer* - I am not saying my bike is better than your bike. I am not saying my way is better than your way. I am not mocking your religion/politics/other belief system. When reading my post imagine me sitting behind a frothing pint of ale, smiling and offering you a bag of peanuts. This is the sentiment in which my post is made. Please accept it as such!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 14 Jun 2006
Caminando's Avatar
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: DogZone Country
Posts: 1,227
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Kennedy
You could probably get away with not having a plate at all yeah. It is illegal though. But like most of these customes matters, the police are unlikely to know this.

Yeah okay Dennis, not *everyone* calls the UK "England" abroad. I find that I need wild exaggeration to make people listen to me.

But most people I met in north america, most (over 30 years of age) Europeans, absolutely everyone in south america, the middle east, and even many in the Indian subcontinent did make this mistake. "The United Kingdom" is the least known name in the world for the countries, and bits of countries, that make up the state.

Simon
There's a lot of truth in what you say, Simon.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 14 Jun 2006
Caminando's Avatar
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: DogZone Country
Posts: 1,227
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Cartney
Hi.
Just came back from Iran and had a GB sticker and St. Andrews Cross on my panniers and another St. Andrews Cross on the front of the bike (we Scots are a proud race for some reason). No problems whatsoever with hassle.
In fact I disagree with those people who try to disguise their nationality. I found the first thing people do is look at the back of your bike to try to work out where you are from and, wherever you come from, your nationality is a point of interest and introduction to people.
I also like to think that in a very small way people who might not be so freindly towards the Brits will see me (with my flagged up bike) grinning and sharing tea and generally getting on with their countrymen and think "Maybe the Brits are just like us..." Which, indeed, we are.
Be a mini peace envoy for your country!
Matt
Europe is your country!

Matt, what's wrong with my idea of the Euro stars only?This avoids petty nationalism and includes you in a larger family of nations. And remember you are a both citizen of Europe and a subject of the Queen. I know which I prefer.

Whaddaya think?????

PS Do you find the sporran handy as a toolbag?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 14 Jun 2006
Matt Cartney's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland
Posts: 1,351
There's nowt wrong with being European, 'continentality'* is just a concept alien to most people I would say. I'm not sure an Iranian would ever describe themselves as 'Middle Eastern' if you asked where they came from.
No matter what sort of plank Tony makes of himself it won't make me ashamed to be Scottish or British.
I think the original point was essentially wether it was worth worrying about concealing ones nationality. And I think the answer is 'No.'

Matt

*I may have just made this word up.

PS: My sporran is usually full with a hip flask of Laphroig and carefully hoarded pennies.
__________________
http://adventure-writing.blogspot.com

http://scotlandnepal.blogspot.com/

*Disclaimer* - I am not saying my bike is better than your bike. I am not saying my way is better than your way. I am not mocking your religion/politics/other belief system. When reading my post imagine me sitting behind a frothing pint of ale, smiling and offering you a bag of peanuts. This is the sentiment in which my post is made. Please accept it as such!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 14 Jun 2006
Stephano's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Abu Dhabi
Posts: 897
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Cartney
In fact I disagree with those people who try to disguise their nationality. I found the first thing people do is look at the back of your bike to try to work out where you are from and, wherever you come from, your nationality is a point of interest and introduction to people.
I also like to think that in a very small way people who might not be so freindly towards the Brits will see me (with my flagged up bike) grinning and sharing tea and generally getting on with their countrymen and think "Maybe the Brits are just like us..." Which, indeed, we are.
Be a mini peace envoy for your country!
Matt
[Travel Section] I fully agree, Matt. Well put.

[Political Section] Denis, I am happy, and often proud, to be English, British & European but the subject of any monarch... never!

Stephan
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plain metal number plates in UK danielsprague 4WD Overland Tech 6 7 Mar 2006 01:56
German Export Plates beddhist Trip Paperwork 0 29 Jun 2005 13:55
Bull bars and weight Tonyabc 4WD Overland Tech 6 24 Sep 2004 22:23
License Plates TBR-China Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else 0 10 Aug 2004 09:44
European Insurance for a bike on african plates greenbug Sahara Travel Forum 1 10 Apr 2003 23:41

 
 

Grant & Susan's Europe Ride 2014.



Renedian Adventures

HU DVD Summer Special!

The weather has finally turned, so Gear Up for your motorcycle travel adventure! Take 30% off the Achievable Dream - Gear Up! 2-DVD set until June 30 only. Gear Up! for your motorcycle travel adventure! Get all the info you need to hit the road!

Which bike, how to prepare it, what else to take, how to pack it all in! 6 hours!

"It's another great job, informative and entertaining."

"It's really professional and full of useful information, a must for any traveler."

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'GEARUP' on your order when you checkout.

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 23:42.