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felix-the-dr 29 Jan 2010 14:53

europe-israel-europe
 
hi all,

after reading most treads here, i became a bit confused, so i hope i can get some clear answers...

i have an invitation for a wedding in nahariya, israel this summer and 'm looking at the possibility to fly/ship a bike into israel and ride back home to europe in 3/4 weeks afterwards - the route i was thinking of was maybe jordan, syria, turkey then take the boat in izmir.

-does anyone have experience with flying a bike to israel/syria/jordan? how much hassle is it to get out of customs and what would it cost?
-do i need a carnet in any of those countries?
-visas at the border, i hope?
-crossing syria/turkey: i suppose only through aleppo-gaziantep crossing? or is the one in the east open as well?
-is the ferry ancona/athens-haifa still running or not? at what price and how long does it take?

more importantly: i got the impression that there are border problems. can you go through syria when coming out of israel? yes/no/only via jordan? or is the only way to fly the bike to syria, leave it there, go to the wedding and then come back for the bike? or is it impossible full stop to get into syria from israel/with an israeli stamp in your passport?

if so, would it be a sollution to do it the other way round? and fly/ship the bike home from syria or israel before the wedding?

thx!
g

Rinus 30 Jan 2010 11:47

Hi Felix,

You don't need a carnet for these country's.You do have to get your visa for Syria in advance, because you have a Syrian ambassy in your country.
And the only way that you'll cross the Israely/Syrian border is if you got a bike that can fly.
It's no problem to go from Israel to Jordan without getting a stamp, but not with a bike. So if you want to ship your bike, I would have done to Jordan.

Stephano 30 Jan 2010 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix-the-dr (Post 274110)
crossing syria/turkey: i suppose only through aleppo-gaziantep crossing? or is the one in the east open as well?

You can also go east into Turkey at Bab Al Hawa/Reyhanli.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_kL4ZseB4TGc/S2...0border001.jpg
:)

Miquel-Silvestre 31 Jan 2010 01:49

This might help you

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...aperwork-44652

Knight of the Holy Graal 3 Feb 2010 06:58

In 2008 I entered Syria at Aleppo / Gaziantep crossing and went out of the Country at the border you can see here Your web browser and the Maps site are incompatible== (road no. 1, I mean).

yoni 3 Feb 2010 13:21

My vew on the subject
 
Is riding to Israel via Turkey. Syria and Jordan then sending the bike from Haifa to Athens by Roro ship - it's not a ferry ( takes 2 days) fly to athens and ride it home via Italy (a day ferry across the south Adriatic) and France.

Have fun
Y.
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yoni 3 Feb 2010 13:26

oops did not see you'r from Italy
 
So now it's easy:welcome:
Y

hopelessly lost 9 Feb 2010 05:41

It's best to END with Israel. Riding out is a problem. Syria will not allow you to enter if you have an Israeli stamp. You CAN get your Syrian visa at the border, in spite of what all the official websites say. (Uh. They all say you have to get it at the embassy. They lie.) *Side note: This information is two years old. I did it then, but even then, all the websites claimed you could not get your Syrian visa at the border. Don't believe everything you read (Even on Horizons Unlimited... NO offense, Grant!)

manfredschweda 24 Feb 2010 12:51

Just in Yerusalem
 
We have just done this tour, just out of Egypt, 7 months on road, will try to get to Limassol on Cyprus and then Turkey again on way back. Cyprus is probably as much worth a trip as all the other countries. Will let u know how this goes. Some inspiration? This Fab Trek - Photography and Journey.
click the last 5 or 10 stories, bar on right. Maybe the best I have done so-far.

m37charlie 9 Mar 2010 06:55

One could go Turkey-Syria-Jordan-Egypt-Israel-Cyprus-Europe.
We crossed into Egypt from Israel at Eilat and then back into Israel after going to St Catherines on a trip (not in our own vehicle) in ~2003 that was mainly Israel.

Charlie

oldbmw 9 Mar 2010 16:12

I have been trying to decypher the Grimaldi lines website.
I 'Think' you can use a ferry to and from Ashod in Israel to Salerno in South Italy.

If having the Israeli stamp is a problem it may be better to ride to there then take the ferry out to Italy.

I had hoped to be able to do it the other way around.

manfredschweda 11 Mar 2010 09:25

Haifa to Limassol, Cyprus ferry
 
Just arrived, Company is Salamis, Agent in Haifa Rosenfeld, took a total of 30 hours, is a cargo ship taking passengers, 3 passengers on board. Rooms very basic, food is good, cook Egyptian, meals with the crew. Price tag very hefty 450 (one person, one van) I paid in Haifa, 120 to Salamis in Limassol, 29 (I managed to get that down from 150) to port authorities in Limassol. So a total of 600 Euros. Cyprus bureaucracy has not understood yet they are part of Europe. Why (as European) would I need a temporary Import permission? But Cyprus holds a lot, absolutely worth coming, and not just dark red wine. And no more guns and automatic rifles in the street (like Israel). Just posted a little update on my site if u bother reading...

pecha72 13 Mar 2010 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinus (Post 274204)
Hi Felix,

You don't need a carnet for these country's.You do have to get your visa for Syria in advance, because you have a Syrian ambassy in your country.
And the only way that you'll cross the Israely/Syrian border is if you got a bike that can fly.
It's no problem to go from Israel to Jordan without getting a stamp, but not with a bike. So if you want to ship your bike, I would have done to Jordan.

I just got the idea to go that way myself next summer... so just to reconfirm:
- Syria
- Lebanon
- Jordan
- Israel
- Cyprus
are all possible, if done in that order? And no carnet needed for any of these?

Egypt has that mandatory & very expensive carnet, so at the moment looks like I´ll save it for another visit. Will have about 1 month for the whole trip (from Finland), so not possible to go everywhere. May even put the bike on a truck to Greece or Turkey, to get some more time to spend in the region. Never done the Turkish coast either, and I believe that is also well worth doing?

It probably gets damn hot in June/July? I´m afraid I wont have a lot of options regards the timing of the trip.

manfredschweda 14 Mar 2010 10:04

Fantastic journey
 
Is a fantastic journey.
Now that I am on my way back. Done exactly what u envision. For inspiration look at my site.
Egypt would be worth a journey for itself, if u say u have 1 month.
Egypt is by far the cheapest country to live in. Fuel litre for 0.15 Euros, A falafel sandwich for 0.15 Euros.
Israel and Turkey by comparison 20 times as expensive!!!!!!

Costs of border crossings are pretty much the same everywhere, Syria, Jordan, Egypt. Stamps, tax, visa, customs, insurance all ask for their due moneys, bring plenty of cash, 100 to 200 Euros and more.

Ferries is another big thing, Aqabah, Jordan - Nuweiba, Egypt, 260 USD for my van and one person. Going through Israel is free (no border crossing fees), but then u cannot go back via Syria, then the ferry Haifa to Limassol, Cyprus (600 Euros one van and one person), Haifa to Pyraeus double or more.

The thing with Egypt is not the expensiveness of a carnet. Because that u arrange for urself and it comes virtually for free (because the deposit u will get back after the journey) in ur home country (usually ur automobil club issues this).

BTW u can arrange insurance for Turkey and Israel in ur home country (extended Green Card), which may NOT be the cheapest but a convenient option.

Again inspiration on my site
http://www.thisfabtrek.com/journey/a...pt-gallery.php
Photography and Journey: Syria. Pictures Gallery.
Photography and Journey: Turkey. Pictures Gallery.

Also when in Israel don't forget to go to Palestine

;-)
Rgds
Manfred, in Cyprus

pecha72 14 Mar 2010 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by manfredschweda (Post 280713)
The thing with Egypt is not the expensiveness of a carnet. Because that u arrange for urself and it comes virtually for free (because the deposit u will get back after the journey) in ur home country (usually ur automobil club issues this).

Yep, we actually did a 6-month trip to Asia&Australia with my girlfriend a couple years ago, and we had the carnet back then. So it is clear to me, that the big money is the deposit - a _minimum_ of 5000(!!) euros here in Finland! Plus issuing it cost around 250 euros - and this was a more or less ´normal´ carnet, with Pakistan, India, Indonesia in it, but no Egypt, because they require a special amount of guarantee. I was actually told by the German ADAC, that they will not issue me a carnet, the only exception was if I plan to go to Egypt, otherwise I´ll need to arrange it from my country.

So for us it was not for free, and it´s definitely one more thing to arrange beforehand. But I just heard, that the AA here does not issue them any more, and we´ll now need to apply from Sweden, so may be I´m going to ask them about this. I wouldnt be surprised at all, if anywhere else will be cheaper than in Finland!

Last time we also had our normal bike insurance & Green Card cover the bike for Turkey and even Iran (which was a bit surprising)... but that´s surely one thing I´ll need to do more research on. And I´m not expecting to get a fully comprehensive cover, like collision or theft, for all these countries.

Thanks for the info BTW, and yes I´ll go check out your site! I was wondering, where we could go, that´s not desperately far away, but will be new to us. This is starting to look more and more like our destination.


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