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bungle 27 Nov 2011 23:20

Underpowered battery
 
I am firmly of the opinion that if it's not broken you shouldn't fix it. My defender 90 300tdi starts very well and seemingly runs fine. No problems with electrics that are obvious to me. However I left an interior light on and drained the battery. The AA came out to rescue me from the airport car park (much humiliation). On chatting he exclaimed "you've got the wrong battery mate, this is for a ford focus not something like your Landy". He quoted what the VA should be for the battery. I nodded and drove home.

My question is - given my landy starts fine and seems to run well, what detrimental effect would continuing to run the thing on an underpowered battery have? Specifically would my shockingly poor dipped headlights improve any? Answers much appreciated. Sorry this question isn't more demanding.

Big Yellow Tractor 28 Nov 2011 06:58

I suspect that the "very nice man" was just trying to sell you a battery.

tacr2man 28 Nov 2011 10:39

if you try starting without preheat , does it still start very quickly ? if no try and see how long your battery stands up to repeat attempts . But above reply is probably not far off the mark . You couls also fit 2nd battery as standby with isolator incase you do it again

Wheeee! 28 Nov 2011 16:26

The VA is the product of the Volts and the AMPS that the battery will deliver ie power, but the important figure for a battery is the AmpHours. Bigger batteries have more capacity and can deliver the amps for longer -hence higher AHrs.

A diesel requires a larger battery than a petrol because the engine has glow plugs (heaters which are power hungry) and relies on compression only to ignite the mixture.

In colder weather the chemistry of the battery is such that the capacity reduces. This is why you always discover that your battery is gone in the middle of winter.

A small battery will generally operate OK in a diesel but will be exercised much harder. This may have some impact on the life of the battery but will be shown up when left for a long period with a small load (eg alarm or interior light) or when the weather gets cold. This is because it does not have sufficient capacity. This is a bit like trying to live on 1000 calories a day when you need 3000. You will manage for a while but eventually fade.

Also, if you do a lot of short runs, you will be taking large amounts of power from the battery and not running the alternator long enough to reachrge it so it will be limping along on less and less charge. You won't notice until it falls below a certain threshold.

This is also true if you are running lots of accessories.


In short, a battery designed for a petrol engine is insufficient for a diesel. Get yourself the right battery (specified as AmpHrs i.e how long it can deliver a specified number of amps)

With regard to the poor headlights, possibly the battery, but these are dependent on your alternator and regulator. IF your battery has little charge then the alternator voltage may be dragged down as the number of amps available are drawn by the battery charging.

I don't know what the specified current rating of the landy alternator is, but I would have thought it is quite beefy.

You could test this by measuring the voltage on the battery when it has been standing for a while -say overnight. This should be around 12.5 to 13 V. If not then your battery is not being charged by the alternator when the landy is running.

When the engine is running, the battery voltage should go up to about 14V (ie the alternator voltage). As I said, if your battery is dragging the alternator voltage down then it might not get up to this figure.

I would recommend getting the proper battery and then check that you get these readings. If not then your alternator/regulator/rectifier need looking at. ASk whoever you get the battery from to check these.

If you keep running on the ' ford focus' battery you will come unstuck when the weather gets cold.


Cheers

Honybadger 28 Nov 2011 19:28

Tdi love.
 
tdi's seem to cope well on rubbish batteries. I needed the proper battery out of my 200tdi 110 for my 2A at some point so lobbed the battery out of a mates Astra that he was scrapping years ago into it. It's still there because it hasn't let me down yet, even during the worst of last winter. Having said that if I was setting off anywhere serious that would be the 2nd thing I'd replace,after the rad which hasn't any fins left, fine for Mid Wales.
Oh and it's also running a 9000lb electric winch, through two Wars of the Roses so far.


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