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Warning: Free Camping in Romania
Warning: Piatra Craiului National Park
On the night of the 18th May, whilst free-camping alone in near Cabana Plaui Foii in Piatra Craiului National Park, my tent was slashed, and my camera bag (with passport and bank cards) was taken. The police where quite helpful, and we found my passport and cards (abandoned by the thief, thankfully), but I still lost a lot of camera gear. If you are going to free camp in Romania anywhere that sees many tourists (domestic or foreign), and that is easily accessible to the general public, take the utmost care with your possessions Consider putting all your valuables inside your sleeping bag, and perhaps leave a torch switched on in your tent. Better still, stay at a cabana, though this is probably also not 100% safe. If anyone catches wind of my camera stuff (a Nikon D70s, two lenses , memory cards and batteries in a blue Lowepro camera bag), please PM me. Daniel |
Yes - they even stole the watch off Bush's wrist!
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Wrong country. That was in Albania.
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I was cleaned out years ago in Mexico while car camping
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I can appreciate your anger and the problems it caused you having been the victim of theft, but is it fair to tar the whole of Romania and Romanians with the brush of all being thieves? As can be read here such incidents can, and do, occur in many other countries. It may be preferable if respondents were to share practical security measures we could all employ when travelling (I am not making the distinction between developed and developing countries as western Europe is far from crime free).
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Mollydog .... Do you think USA isn't a "tough" country? And you are very lucky you were never "hungry" but what you write is "agressive" and of course it is very "smart". Do you think the Perfect Country really exist? Your bike, your car, your watch can't be stolen in USA or UK? Do you leave your helmet on the bike in front of Notre Dame in Paris? Dou you leave your car's window open and all your jewel in the car when you have a lunch in manhattan? Do you really do it? Caminando and Mollydog ... don't judge a people and a country so quick! Safe ride, Szabi |
I fully agree with santhasz. I don't consider Romania as more risky than US or UK or any other West European country. Maybe it's the other way around, that you should be much more afraid for thefts when you are in US or UK?
These things can happen anywhere if your'e unlucky, Sweden, Germany Spain or where-ever. Ain't that right ? I've been around with my bike in Romania for several weeks and have never experienced any problems and haven't heard about it before this. But, I have heard of people getting robbed in the US and I've been threatened there. I do not judge the whole country for that. Please don't be so quick to judge a whole country for a single accident. Romania is a lovely country and I recommend everyone who hasn't been there to take a visit. |
Hear, hear to the last two posts. And we wonder why people from other countries take a dim view of us, espousing such narrow minded and unjustified criticisms on their homeland.
danielsprague, in your original post you said the Romanian Police were helpful. Excellent, what service do you think you would receive from a UK police force if you had suffered such a minor crime (I appreciate to you it was a major incident, but not in the eyes of the law)? You would probably only be given an incident number. Apologise to the Romanian HUBB members and get yourself back to their country to see it with a less jaundiced view. |
I'm also with the latter posts. I've just returned from Romania nd security wise felt a lot safer there than some other countries I've visited. I've also learned to ignore the people who say, "Don't go there - it's dangerous, you'll be robber; the bike will be stolen" etc. Most of them haven't been to these countries and are relaying the story of a friend of a friend etc.
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The Garden of Eden..as much as we'd all like it to be. :mchappy:
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No one is claiming Romania is the Garden of Eden rather the criticism of the country as a whole due to the one unfortunate incident experienced by danielsprague was grossly unfair. Every country has problems of crime at the same time the majority of that country's citizens being law abiding and a sizeable minority of those that will also go out of their way to assist and befriend motorcycle travellers.
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Getting ripped
Hi Guys, I travelled Turkey-Bulgaria-Rumainia-Moldavia-Ukrane-Russia in 2004 and it was a wonderful trip. I did get busted in Rumania for "speeding" for which the police were happy to confiscate US$20. Once was bad enough but three times between the border and Bucharest was just pushing it.
It has happened to me in Africa and Asia but I was supprised that it happened in Europe. Anyway on with the advise. I use canoe bags on the m/bike. I lock the zips to stop little hands. I then cover with waterproof rucksack covers, out of site out of mind, then use a "Pac Safe" over that with the tail threaded through the bike frame. I also have a "Lid Safe" that I put my camera and stuff in. This may be overkill but I don't loose to much gear. You could cut throught the pac safe but I've found that people see the precautions and just leave it alone. The only problem I have with the lid safe is the steel wire is between an inner and outer plastic cover. Someone slashed the cover to get at it once (Italy) but nothing was taken. Duc tape repaired it. These things are not cheap, Lid Safe is about £40 and Pac Safes vary from £35 for small Rucksac size to £55 for 120 litre size. I got the Pac safe's from "Blacks" camping shop and the Lid Safe from P&H motocycles in Crawley. I hope this helps someone. |
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I think that the original poster might have been just a little bit naive 'free camping' (sleeping rough) in a country that has just gone through tremendous social and political change, and not taking appropriate security precautions. There are a lot of people in Romania who have been 'left behind' by the rapid modernization of the country and the tremendous growth taking place in the Romanian economy. This is no different than what happened in East Germany when the wall came down, and equally no different than the fate of many poor and/or uneducated people in first world countries such as England, France, or the USA (the cities I cited above). I mean, heck, you could probably sleep rough in rural Nebraska and never be bothered, or sleep rough in Switzerland and never be bothered, but I can think of a heck of a lot of places in some of the most affluent countries of the world where you would be considered 'fair game' if someone with an empty belly found you sleeping rough. Lastly - I usually slept overnight at a pension or farmhouse when I toured through Romania - average cost per night was about $12 or so. That included the shower in the morning, and a secure garage or farm outbuilding to park my moto in at night. |
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Mind you, Ukraine was another story altogether... |
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I didnt refer to a "bullshit" country -you did. I didnt refer to all the people being thieves -you did. I dont judge a whole country "so quick" - you said that! Please dont refer to words I never said. I understand what you're saying however, but let's be clear - rightly or wrongly Romania has a reputation for theft. So has Italy...but you can be robbed anywhere - certainly in the UK. I got stuff taken in Amsterdam but I dont blame the Dutch nation, so relax a little. In a very poor India, I had nothing taken. In Ploesti, however, I stopped my bike one rainy night to check a map, and out of the rain came a howling lunatic who grabbed at the stuff on the back of the bike, making me drive off away from the madman. But I dont think all Romanians are like this! And welcome to the European Union -it's good to travel in your country with less hassle than before. And that you can travel easily in Western Europe. Let's have more of that! But watch your stuff in the UK or someone WILL steal it! PS. UK citizens are NOT described as English, but British. This includes Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland. Happy travels! See you at Horizons UK one day?!! |
Personally I close this topic.
I hope I'll meet you and I'll have the chance to show that RO is not the worst country in the world. If anybody wants to write me please write at santhasz@hotmail.com Best wishes Szabi |
Nobody said it was the worst in the world!
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Don't blow your tops
Daniel only said
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Lots of tourists always attract muggers. Just the other day an American tourist was robbed in Munich after drawing money from an ATM. Now Munich is probably the safest of the bigger cities in Germany. After touring RO several times on bike and campervan, and usually camping in the wild, I must say that I have never been harassed in any form. Coming back to Molly's first post: Hardly any traveller gets away unscathed. Somewhere. My tent was rifled on a GUARDED campsite in South Africa while I was snoring away happily. Probably not because they where hungry, but because I was so stupid to go to an ATM immediately before riding to the campsite. Hans |
Just recalled a message left to a topic, which i dont remember ...
He says he was robbed, beaten and left on the side of the road with practically nothing but his underwear and lots of injuries in IRAN. But he also wrote he was taken to hospital, visited every day, taken care with utmost sensitivity and even (if i recall correct) financally supported by iranians, for his losses and getting back home.. They are everywhere...good, bad & the ugly ... incidents like this are the possibilities of the game that we are all playing. Cheers, |
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Guide - don't camp close to town. Try not to camp within sight of the road. Keep your campfire small .. and low. Cover any reflective surfaces (bike mirrors, rear reflectors. |
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:oops2: cheers mate. Regards Mick |
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Good roadz! |
just came back from Romania
Did not feel any security prob.
Great riding places (Fagarash, Carpats) nice helpful people and THE MOST AGRESSIVE drivers I've ever met. (Ho. and don't get stuck behind a truck. they probably use cianide as fuel, what a stink) Dare! Y. |
sh*t happens
hi there,
well Daniel, I am sorry to hear that you were robbed in Romania and I would like to thank you that you want to advise where to be more careful. I can say I was lucky, from my experience I know that there were no security problems with free-wild camping in Romania and I think it is not the expanded problem there now. I have been to Romania in 2001,2002,2003, I travelled Romania from the east to the west and from the south to the north, every time I choosed not so busy areas... big cities and so on to minimize the risk. I prefered the countryside, mountains, areas with sparse population before places with high concetration of people. I really enjoyed that country and its people... I had no problem at all ... I think that you have nearly the same chance to be robbed all over the Europe. My friends were robbed in Spain as well as in Germany etc.. bad people are everywhere... but please don't judge so quick njoy the travelling regards |
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