Trip from Patras, Greece North
Just wanted some advice, opinions etc. My latest escapade has tentative plans to arrive in Greece via ferry in Patras, and then head north with the trip culminating in the italian alps. Time span is approx 2 weeks.
I have 2 major burning questions though 1) Ideal route through Greece. Just looking for any must-see's, great rides / scenery etc. that people have experienced. I really wanted to go to Meteora, but some people say east coast, some say west, some say something else. Just ideas really, we don't really have time to do a lot of backtracking so trying to figure out a route we could include a lot of sights. 2) Thoughts on route through to croatia? Basically i've got two options, loop around via bulgaria / romania and come back across, or some combination of albania/macedonia up through montenegro. I've been through both romania and montenegro before. What are thoughs on albania / macedonia? I'll be honest by knowledge of that region isn't fantastic! I loved romania so wouldn't mind going back, but it's always fun to go somewhere new! Anyway, i've read quite a few threads that touch on various parts of this trip, but some are at least a couple years old so thought i would reach out again for some valuable input. Graham PS - off the biking topic, but anybody ever heard re: renting a car for a trip through eastern europe? Have a couple friends who may want to come along in a metal box, but I fear that finding a car rental company that would actually let you cross these borders may be very difficult! In their mind it's a road trip, but in my mind i've just procured my very first support vehicle for a trip!:thumbup1: |
I'm not really in a position to suggest an "ideal route," but I'd say don't miss Meteora; it's one of the few truly unique sights, available nowhere else in the world. Judging by my transit through there less than a month ago (late October), it's probably very crowded during the season.
You already know Montenegro and Romania, two of my favorites, so I suggest going for Albania; it's much more rough around the edges, which I take as a good thing, and in places fairly rugged. While there, stop into Kosovo just for the geopolitical glimpses (and friendly people, often-stunning mountain scenery, relatively untouched monasteries, etc.). You don't say what time of year you're looking at, but I'm assuming if you're riding the Italian Alps you probably mean summer or early fall. Albania in November can get pretty gloomy, as I discovered last year. Early October would probably be just about right; three weeks ago there was snow in the air everywhere, and the winter storms were moving into Italy in particular. Hope that helps. Mark |
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2 weeks is, I believe, too small a period of time to go all the way from Patra to Romania/Bulgaria and reach the Italian Alps (that is if you want to do something else besides riding).
A feasible, and interesting, scenario would be to do Greece, a bit of FYROM, and then ride the Dalmatian coast north towards Italy. If you choose to do that, you have plenty of interesting sites to choose from, and great routes to enjoy your trip. What do you prefer? Ancient ruins, Byzantine ruins, monasteries, lakes, mountains, citadels, national parks? What about roads? Highways, national roads, regional small roads (my favorite), mud tracks? An interesting route would be: Patra Lefkada (you get to see an Ionian Island, it is connected by bridge to the mainland) Ioannina Meteora Prespes Lakes Cross into FYROM by NIKI border station Visit Ochrid Then head for Budva (Montenegro) through Tirane (Albania) Dubrovnik (Croatia) Split Plitvice Lakes Ljubljana Italian Alps This is just a suggestion, you have infinite choices, if you can be more specific I could give you a lot more ideas... As for the when, late September and early October are the best for a bike trip in the region, before that it's too hot, and after you'll get lots of showers.. June is not bad either... I doubt you can rent a car from an EU country, and then cross into non-EU countries (especially Albania, the only country that us Greeks get to pay extra insurance to visit with our own vehicles). If you stick to EU countries you could circulate freely, but not through the Balkans (not yet at least!). |
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I did Meteora (fantastic!), then Ohrid (nice but i expected more?), South and West Serbia (no tourists but very friendly:thumbup1:), Bosnia (superfantastic...), Dalmatian coast (superlative!), Plitvice Lakes (oh yes!), Bled and the Soca Pass (do not miss this Beauty!!), then the Amazing Dolomites. Any q's , just ask...:clap:
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But when crossing to Albania it depends whether you prefer rough roads in beautiful landscape - then I'd skip Tirane and rather travel north from Lake Ohrid, turn off onto the dirtroad at Librazhd and either ride via Bulquize towards Skoder or carry on north via Peshkopi to Kukes. The mountain pistes are absolutely stunning, albeit a bit rough :thumbup1: Budva I don't know yet, but carrying on to Dubrovnik you'll pass the Bay of Kotor. Kotor itself is nice to see. Hans |
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Once I get to Montenegro i'm retracing steps from the past, so may stay different places but I aint going to miss that coastal ride up the coast through croatia, there's no option 2 for me on that one! Tks Graham |
Basically i skirted the Kosovo area, more a matter of where the roads went than anything else. But on going up to Kapaonik National Park (and running the gauntlet of many Police checkpoints, watch the low speed limits!) i realised at a much more serious Checkpoint that that was the Kosovo border and turned around. A good move, it turns out, as apparently i'd not have been allowed back into Serbia from Kosovo but had a lengthy detour via Macedonia or Albania to carry on through Serbia. But if you're planning Albania then that's ok, eh... I carried on up western Serbia to Tara National Park to cross into Bosnia. This was in mid-summer this year, but i reckon that as long as the frosty relations exist between these two areas then the Border will be a niggle.
As for the Dalmatian coast, it's a fantastic ride, my ride took me over to Korkula and the end of the island then the Split ferry. |
Greece to Dolomites
I suggest the Albanian Coast, especially in May or September. Enter Albania from Greece at Qafe Bota. Enjoy the tiny ferry across the Vivari Channel at Butrint. Tour the excellent ruins at Butrint. North to Saranda. Make a side trip to Gjirokaster, taking in the "Blue Eye" spring along the way. Return to Saranda head north along the coast road through Piqeras, Bunec, Borshi, Qeparo, Himara, Vuno, Jale, Dhermi, Palasa. Up and over the Qafe Llogara pass. South back over the pass. North again over the pass. (Yes, it's that much fun!) Orikum, Radhime, Vlora. Inland to Berat, north to Rroghozhine, east to Elbasan, north to Tirana (unforgettable road). Then north to Shkoder and exit into Montenegro at the Muriqan crossing enroute to Ulcinj or Bar and up the coast to Budva and Kotor. Then up the Croatian coast.
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Here's a trip report from Vienna via Triest/ferry to Durres/Albania and northwards: Blumenpflücker - Albanien/Montenegro/Bosnien/...
Unfortunately in German, but at least the names of places are in local lingo :stupid: None the less, the pics are stunning and in the beginning there is a map showing the route the guys took. Esp. the last leg when leaving Albania for Montenegro through the Vermosh valley is more than spectacular :D |
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Coastal route to Greece
Tirana Transplant, and all of you, thanks for this info.
It lacks one small bit of info for me: My wife and I intend doing the Croatia-Montenegro-Albania coastal run to Greece, taking the Vlore - Sandara route which sounds great, and the local crossing to Greece sounds good but; We are on a well-laden FJR1300, not a dirt bike, so am interested in Tarmac roads only. I understand that the roads have improved a lot lately, but what routes should I avoid? Whitters |
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