Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Europe

Europe Topics specific to Western and Eastern Europe, from UK to the Russian border, and south-east to Turkey.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 22
European Customs Control

I'm American. My friend is British. I have an F650GS sitting at my friend's house in England and I want to ride it around Eastern Europe (*) in about 6 months for my precious three weeks of yearly vacation.

Question #1) Can I get it registered and legal in my name even though I don't live in England and won't arrive at Heathrow until maybe 24 hours before I depart on my bike trip?

Question #2) If "NO" for #1, then how far can I get on the bike if it's registered in his name but he's NOT on the trip with me? All of EU? All of GB? Does it make a difference if I cross the channel by ferry or by train?

I've been reading on the forums and wikipedia for about an hour and I'm still not 100% sure! But I think the answer is "All of EU, Iceland, Norway, Lichtenstein, Switzerland, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican". Is that right? I'm sure any European on here can answer this in about 5 seconds. Any guidance is appreciated!


*Actually I wanted to ride it around Tunisia, Algeria, and Libya, but that route is indefinitely postponed due to ongoing events...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Back home in the UK
Posts: 888
Get your friend to register it in your name a couple of months before you arrive, they can send you the document to sign beforehand, I would never suggest they forge your signature.
I am not sure but it might not need to be in your name, a letter giving persmission for you to use it should be sufficient and you will probably never be asked for it.
By Eastern Europe do you mean Central Europe, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary etc? These are all in the EU, I am not sure if as an American you will need visas but there are no border controls so don't know who would check your passport when you get there. You should be able to visit all the places you list without getting your passport out of your pocket, you will only need it to re-enter the UK, train or ferry no difference.
__________________
Sent from my ageing laptop with a dodgy screen
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Cairo
Posts: 304
Insurance?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 22
Thanks! So just to be sure I don't have to demonstrate residency or citizenship or proof of license or anything like that to register a bike? And I don't even have to be there in person to submit the documents?

Ideally, I'd like to make it out of the EU, like to Turkey, Bosnia, Tunisia, Macedonia, etc. That's why I want it in my name...to avoid any holdups at those borders. But I was thinking in case it had to be in my friend's name I could still visit a bunch of Eastern European countries I've never been to and not have to deal with customs at the borders!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 22
OnlyMark--Are you asking if I've secured a "Green Card" auto insurance policy? The answer is "not yet"...I know it's required and available but I've yet to research much into getting it. Do I need to get it before registering the bike?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Moscow, Russia
Posts: 1,003
does the bike have any plates on it now? if so, why not keep them on it?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 22
Motoreiter--No, no plates currently on it. It was purchased last September from another HU member and has been sitting idle since then.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 22
A quick internet search tells me that the Green Card is only REQUIRED in:
Albania, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), Islamic Republic of Iran, Israel, Moldova, Morocco, Russia, Serbia and Montenegro, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine.

And the Green Card is simply RECOMMENDED in:
Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland.

It also looks like any policy I get in the UK will automatically have "Green Card" status.

I still need to get insurance somehow...recommendations?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Contributing Member
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Posts: 64
If the bike was purchased from a fellow Hubber in the UK it was presumably registered in the UK at that time. If that's the case, did you have it SORNed? (was a Statutory Off Road Notice (?) in place?) after transferring ownership? (the seller has to declare transfer as well as the buyer to avoid further liability). If its a UK registered bike, we simply keep the same plates with the bike throughout it's lifetime and transfer them with ownership. As long as the bike is MOT'd (our roadworthiness test) and the current road tax is paid, it should be quite easy to get it back on the road. I don't know what the rules are for a non-resident registering a bike here, but your friend could call the local DVLA office for you and ask. If not, I'm sure one of us based here in the UK could do so for you, although it would probably only illicit a theoretical answer.

I would be happy to make the call if you wish.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 22
Deenewcastle--Actually the bike was imported from...I think UAE?...and the import duties were paid, the bike was converted to UK spec instrument cluster, and now it needs to be MOT'd and some other paperwork. So no, there are no plates on it. From my online research, it looks like I'll need to do the following:

MOT & Registration anticipated expenses:
MOT (£29.65) MOT test fees : Directgov - Motoring
Registration (£55.00)
Vehicle first registration fee : Directgov - Motoring
Road tax (£70.00)
The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licences : Directgov - Motoring
BMW UK specification certification (25-50£?) (see below)
(2-wheel MSVA, if necessary £85.00)

For registration, a UK specification certification is necessary. Contact:
BMW homologation dept
BMW (UK) limited
Ellesfield Avenue
Bracknell
Berkshire
RG12 8TA
Fax: 01344 480 173
Include:
1) Full chassis # (17 digits)
2) Daytime contact #

If anybody would like to call the DVLA for me and make sure this is all correct, I'd really appreciate it!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11 Apr 2011
beddhist's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whangarei, NZ
Posts: 2,227
On a UK-reg bike you don't need a GC within the EU and it doesn't need to be in your name. Insurance is compulsory.

If you only have 3 weeks then I suggest that going further than Turkey will make for a rushed trip. Perhaps sticking with the extended EU is my suggestion.
__________________
Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Contributing Member
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK and Australia
Posts: 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by donpablohahn View Post
...............I still need to get insurance somehow...recommendations?
I'll send you a personal message with my own insurance experience and recommendations. I have bought, registered and insured bikes on 2 occasions in the UK.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Cairo
Posts: 304
I'm not actually on about a Green card, that is an extension of ordinary insurance for the UK. I'm actually more thinking of that at some time you'll need to ride it in the UK, at least to leave the country, and you'll need to insure it for that.
Quite how much for a non resident short term that'll be I've no idea. But I bet it's not cheap.
You'll at least need an address in the UK, especially if you are registering it and insuring it in your own name.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ljubljana Slovenija
Posts: 28
You can not register the vehicle in your name if you do not live in the EU (a permanent or temporary). To drive a someone else's vehicle is usually sufficient written certified authorization from the owner.
For the EU, you do not need a green card, but check for other countries.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Posts: 22
Francs--But foreigners still register bikes in their name somehow, right? What do they do--put a friend's address as their place of residence?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
cruise control kito Equipment Reviews 14 14 Apr 2012 20:02
simple cruise-control Freek Equipment Reviews 7 18 Mar 2012 23:22
KLR 650 control box, coil etc.... S-Mendus Kawasaki 1 13 Aug 2007 11:51
Cruise control? fireboomer Equipping the Bike - what's the best gear? 10 11 Apr 2002 15:41
xt600 throttle control mutard Yamaha Tech 0 6 Jan 2001 05:25

 
 
 

NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!

Next HU Eventscalendar

See all events

 

Latvia to Australia, an inspirational 5 month journey full of unexpected adventures!


Renedian Adventures

Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 21:22.