Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > Equipping the Bike - what's the best gear?

Equipping the Bike - what's the best gear? Anything to do with the bikes equipment, saddlebags, etc. Questions on repairs and maintenance of the bike itself belong in the Brand Specific Tech Forums.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Giant Loop Motorcycle Saddlebags & Motorcycle Tank Bags: Panniers, Soft Luggage for Adventure & Sport Touring

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 29 May 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 49
so i think we should all sell the bike and get a car because it's much safer than on two wheels ,only joking
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 29 May 2011
Contributing Member
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Caloundra Queensland Australia
Posts: 66
I built this luggage for these three Tenere's, they have just finished a trip from south Africa to Ireland, they worked fine for them, kept everything dry and held up to crashing about 100 times.There about 36lt and two different styles a angled bottom style and a straight side pannier built with a solid rivet construction, the rivet construction is super strong. One pannier had to be repaired after he was hit from behind by a car in Namibia the left pannier took the full force of the crash and that guy said that pannier saved his leg, sometimes they help, sometimes they dont. Locky.










__________________
Happyness is not around the corner, happyness is the corner.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 29 May 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 49
great pictures,looks like lots changed on these bikes before the big trip.are the basic tenere not upto it as standard?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 29 May 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary AB
Posts: 712
Quote:
Originally Posted by oothef View Post
The trouble with most hard panniers is they are slightly wider and much lower than your bars so if you don't allow for this you can inadvertently knock car wing mirrors whilst filtering, or worse, explode a pannier against a bollard, causing the bike to be fired in to railings.......Damage to bike and pride....
Forgot about that. Having something on the bike wider out of your vision is just plain dangerous. It ended one of our trips when an oncoming car decided to overtake at the last minute flattening the pannier out of view and launch my wife and her bike into a tree lined ditch. Luckily didn't hit a tree.

I also admire people's confidence in padlocks. Like Ted said, they're not hard to break into. The wide ones do keep the bike off the ground but also fling the bike around on tough terrain increasing the risk of a tank slapper and high siding. The narrower ones tend to trap the leg under it. Try lifting that thing off your leg when you're on your own.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lockyv7 View Post
With some rack-less soft luggage you would have been able to punch through that feet on the pegs. Just kidding.

You got a ride report somewhere?
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 30 May 2011
Contributing Member
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Caloundra Queensland Australia
Posts: 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by big ben View Post
great pictures,looks like lots changed on these bikes before the big trip.are the basic tenere not upto it as standard?
When i fitted up the luggage the bikes were pretty much standard, a few bolt on's, crash bars racks, different hand guards, duck tape here and there. I dont have a RR, im just the luggage builder, i have a DR in the shed now fitting up for a long way round style trip, i build a lot of 1200GS luggage.
I build my pannier frames with atachment points so i can also fit a alloy support plate for soft luggage and they have extra tie down points that will take the 2 inch wise stretch straps that Andy makes, i get customers that have both soft and hard luggage because there are people out there that like to use either, the F800GS has both fitted, he uses the soft bags for weekend more off road and the hard bags if he and the misses are going a bit softer. I only build hard luggage but i dont bag the soft bags, i work in with them.
Cheers Locky.


__________________
Happyness is not around the corner, happyness is the corner.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 30 May 2011
gixxer.rob's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Back in Melb
Posts: 292
Hard or Soft - 10 cents

This is my experience and I am sure it will not suit everybody.

On the road I went with givi style. 2 x 44ltr panniers 1 x 50 top box. That was for two up 3 months camping. We ended up mounting a frame on the top on the top box for the tent with a pacsafe mesh around it. You have to put as much weight in the panniers as possible and do it evenly. Leaving the top box for light stuff that you want access to more regularly. This set was reasonably secure as all boxes lock on to the mounting frame. If we had to leave the bike somewhere for a long period a 10mm stainless cable was threaded thru the boxes, the bike frame and a power pole and then covered. It turned out that we could have gone a fair bit smaller on the sizes...

handling of bike with hard panniers-divy.jpg

Off road I used all soft luggage. The top bag's slot for the hoop tore in one stack but was then strapped on. Other than they no probs. I also find that when riding off road standing up on the pegs keeps you away from the bike in crashes and even helps avoid some..

handling of bike with hard panniers-cape-your.jpg

The security side of it, all you can do is make it hard for the thieves. Make it take too long or not worth the effort. If they really want it they will take it.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 30 May 2011
farqhuar's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Oztralia
Posts: 566
I've done long trips with a wide array of luggage from two-up and everything strapped to the rear packrack, to topbox and hard panniers, to soft panniers and to underseat storage with a large topbox.

I find the last option best but you only get it if you ride a maxiscooter.

For me, hard vs. soft isn't really an issue, the each have their strengths/weaknesses but the additional weight of a hard pannier is frankly very little in the overall scheme of things. I think the options can be summarised as follows:

Hard - expensive, more secure and waterproof, easy to remove to take into a hotel room.
Soft - cheap, less secure, things will get when it rains, harder to remove/strap on.
Topbox - moderate pricing, secure, waterproof, but watch out when riding on corrugations as they can snap your subframe.
__________________
Garry from Oz - powered by Burgman
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 30 May 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 49
just wondered how big the panniers are in your photos,they look a perfect fit not to wide as i think that is important cheers
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 30 May 2011
wuming's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: london
Posts: 271
I have only done one longish trip with soft luggage. My main issues with it were the lack of waterproofing. It rained a lot on that trip, and no matter what I did to make it watertight: from using rainproof over bags to using lots of individual plastic bags to pack stuff inside the soft panniers; my stuff still got regularly soaked. Also, unloading the bike at the end of each day became a real chore: unstrapping this and that and then lugging the dripping luggage into a cheap hotel past the scowling staff. Then having to reattach everything the next morning. With my hard panniers, just need to open a lid, take out one (dry!) inner bag of the important stuff, close the lid and you're good to go. I do like the idea of soft luggage; so if anybody can recommend genuinely watertight bags (even a roll, "dry" bag, allowed the water in to an extent), I am all ears. Cheers.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 30 May 2011
*Touring Ted*'s Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wirral, England.
Posts: 4,485
Quote:
Originally Posted by gixxer.rob View Post
This is my experience and I am sure it will not suit everybody.

On the road I went with givi style. 2 x 44ltr panniers 1 x 50 top box. That was for two up 3 months camping. We ended up mounting a frame on the top on the top box for the tent with a pacsafe mesh around it. You have to put as much weight in the panniers as possible and do it evenly. Leaving the top box for light stuff that you want access to more regularly. This set was reasonably secure as all boxes lock on to the mounting frame. If we had to leave the bike somewhere for a long period a 10mm stainless cable was threaded thru the boxes, the bike frame and a power pole and then covered. It turned out that we could have gone a fair bit smaller on the sizes...

Attachment 4772

Off road I used all soft luggage. The top bag's slot for the hoop tore in one stack but was then strapped on. Other than they no probs. I also find that when riding off road standing up on the pegs keeps you away from the bike in crashes and even helps avoid some..

Attachment 4773

The security side of it, all you can do is make it hard for the thieves. Make it take too long or not worth the effort. If they really want it they will take it.

I use plastic luggage all the time... Why they're rare on overlanders bikes must be down to an image thing. They don't look cool but, for me they are a great compromise between weight and security/ease of use.. You can usually pick up a second hand set of panniers for £100 on ebay.

Have you ever tried to break into a givi box ???? VERY difficult. Much harder than an aluminium one. I remember trying to get into one that came in on a PX bike with no key in the dealership.. We had to remove it to fit another one. The plastic just flexes and you can't get a good purchase on it with a crowbar etc..Took us ages to get it off and required drilling in the end. Depends on the design of the box though. The cheap plastic boxes are CRAP.

I can open any metal box (no matter what lock is on it) within 10 seconds with a crowbar/tyre lever/screw driver. The locks are held on with soft pop rivits or 6mm soft bolts.. It's like they were built by thieves for thieves lol....

Quote:
Originally Posted by wuming View Post
I have only done one longish trip with soft luggage. My main issues with it were the lack of waterproofing. It rained a lot on that trip, and no matter what I did to make it watertight: from using rainproof over bags to using lots of individual plastic bags to pack stuff inside the soft panniers; my stuff still got regularly soaked. Also, unloading the bike at the end of each day became a real chore: unstrapping this and that and then lugging the dripping luggage into a cheap hotel past the scowling staff. Then having to reattach everything the next morning. With my hard panniers, just need to open a lid, take out one (dry!) inner bag of the important stuff, close the lid and you're good to go. I do like the idea of soft luggage; so if anybody can recommend genuinely watertight bags (even a roll, "dry" bag, allowed the water in to an extent), I am all ears. Cheers.
Sounds like you have crap soft bags... There are loads of very water proof soft bags available. Ortliebs to name one. My old army panniers just flung over my rack and had four clips to hold them on. Took no time at all. I could carry all my gear into a hotel in one go rather than two-three journeys with the heavier boxes I had.
__________________
www.TouringTed.com
1994 XR650L
2001 NX650 Dominator.

BMW Dealer Technician
Welder/Fabricator

Ushuaia - Colombia 2007/8
UK- South Africa 2010/11
India 2012
Yukon 2012
S.E Asia 2014
U.K - Magadan 2015
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 30 May 2011
wuming's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: london
Posts: 271
Fortunately, the soft bags weren't mine, they came with the rental bike. They seem to have been of a particularly cheap and nasty construction! Took an absolute age to get off and on the bike and leaked worse than Twitter. I will look into the Ortlieb option. Cheers.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 30 May 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 49
i've decided a trailer has got to be the best but soft top or hard top? ha ha
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 30 May 2011
T.REX63's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Atlanta, GA / USA
Posts: 297
Quote:
Originally Posted by big ben View Post
i've decided a trailer has got to be the best but soft top or hard top? ha ha
...
__________________
Thomas

"Hey, ...I'm just ridin' shotgun"
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 30 May 2011
Dodger's Avatar
Large Golden Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BC, Canada
Posts: 1,097
""
I can open any metal box (no matter what lock is on it) within 10 seconds with a crowbar/tyre lever/screw driver. The locks are held on with soft pop rivits or 6mm soft bolts.. It's like they were built by thieves for thieves lol....
""

I can slash open any soft bag within 2 seconds with a pocket knife ,plus I can smash open any plastic case with a sledgehammer .
Plus plus I can fart and blow your bike over !
__________________
Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light. - Spike Milligan
"When you come to a fork in the road ,take it ! When you come to a spoon in the road ,take that also ."
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 30 May 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 49
do you think the gs could cleanes my weak riding skills?

Last edited by big ben; 30 May 2011 at 21:26.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I need hard panniers Hindu1936 Equipping the Bike - what's the best gear? 6 20 Feb 2006 09:06
Hard Panniers for Transalp davidmc Equipping the Bike - what's the best gear? 6 5 Oct 2004 20:35
Panniers - Hard or Soft? NickG TRAVEL Hints and Tips 5 28 Jan 2004 18:58
Hard panniers Dave&Jane Equipment Reviews 8 18 Nov 2001 23:53
Hard Panniers ? Tony Robson Equipment Reviews 6 30 Oct 2001 03:50

 
 
 

NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!

Next HU Eventscalendar

See all events

 

HU DVD Autumn Special!

Take 40% off Road Heroes Part 1 until October 31 only!

Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries two-up on a Harley); Dr. Greg Frazier (5 times RTW); Tiffany Coates (RTW solo female); and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).

The first in an exciting new series, Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers."Inspiring and hilarious!"

"I loved watching this DVD!"

"Lots of amazing stories and even more amazing photographs, it's great fun and very inspirational."

"Wonderful entertainment!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'HEROES' on your order when you checkout.



Scottoiler automatic chain oilers. The most important accessory for your next motorcycle adventure!


Renedian Adventures


Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 19:39.