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26 Mar 2007
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Tubeless repair - help
I am about to take a Europe trip and usually ride a bike with tubes. My newly aquired TDM 850 has tubeless tyres and i want to take a repair kit for the ride.
Tyre places in the UK will not repair tyres anymore due to insurance reasons and will not reccomend a kit. I feel replacement is a rip off. Most of the kits I've seen are temporary (200 miles). Can anyone reccomend a permanent on the wheel repair kit which will work on small & large holes and is fairly cheap to buy. I just want to tools and plugs as i don't need CO2 ( I have a pump). 
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26 Mar 2007
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Try Hein Gericke, they do them, they have the little gas cannisters with the kit, you can leave these at home
 Hein Gericke (UK) Ltd.Do a 'Google' for 'tyre repair kit'  Trophymick Last edited by trophymick; 26 Mar 2007 at 17:17. Reason: missed word
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26 Mar 2007
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Tyre repair
Interesting you say the repairs are only good for 200 miles. I have used the simplest gooey rubber plugs and then wore the tire out with no leaks. I have to repair a nail hole in my front tire today. I picked up a rusty nail at 65mph on a gravel road yesterday.
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#4
26 Mar 2007
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These type of kits are only temporary because there is always the danger that the plug will come out at some point - they're really just to get you to the nearest repairer.
The type tyre repairers use are mushroom shaped, and inserted from the inside of the tyre. If the repair is done properly then there isn't a problem with them, but to cover their arses the tyres manufacturers are going to say don't repair, so tyre fitters will always say get a new tyre. My dad had the rear tyre on his BMW repaired 6 months ago, so I think a lot depends on where you go (unless things have changed in the last 6 months that is). Things in Europe may be different though.
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#5
26 Mar 2007
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Those plugs don't come out that easily.
I'll be changing a rear tyre soon, and it has done about 15000 km with two of them, no problems. Just remember to double it back properly before it is cut, so that the tyre compresses and holds it effectively. My tyre has spent half it's life at 100kph. I use slime as well, but then, that does not contribute to the plug staying in place. Something jagged hitting that exact spot might dislodge it- but such an object might also puncture the tyre anyways... The thing comes as a kit, but large holes are always a bit iffy...
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#6
27 Mar 2007
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The kit made by "Stop and Go" works very well and is easy to carry. It uses the mushroom shaped plugs, but does not require taking the tire off. Go to Welcome to Stop & Go International and click on "tire plugger" (not motorcycles). I recommend the pocket tire plugger for travelling.
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#7
28 Mar 2007
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tubeless tire repair
The TIP TOP repair kits for tubeless tires as used to be supplied with BMWs are pretty good. I have used them a number of times and kept speeds within legal limits and the y lasted untill the tires were worn out , often thousands of km later. The CO2 cartridges work neat too to inflate the tire, buy replacements at different sources e.g sports stores for air guns.
I´ve also used the string - type of plugs , but they are best for car tires. With these you must apply a bit of tire patch cement to make them really sticky, but not too much or they may want to spit out untill the glue dries if you did not twist enough of a knot in them inside the tire.Also you must make sure to trim the outside of these plugs absolutely flush with the tire surface to prevent braking or accelleration forces from dragging them out. After that they will wear at the same rate as the tire. Once one of these string-plugs started to slowly seep air and I fixed that by adding some of the green slime ( monkey snot?) and running till the end of the tire.
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#8
28 Mar 2007
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tyre repair
Well Ive done some research and got a product i hope will do the trick.
mushroom types are the best. Kits using glue will go hard and eventually degrade so these types are out for me and the BMW or run of the mill £20 from any bike store are temporary and the bad point about them is the fact that you need to drill the tyre out to fit the plug which may catch on a metal strand etc... I don't like the idea of drilling a larger hole - holes are bad ! so I went for a $20 kit with no glue called Dynaplug. If i get a flat i will report, otherwise anyone heard of this product or even better used it?
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#9
29 Mar 2007
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The best repair kit is a inner tube and a small pump with a set of tyre levers.
It can happen that after the flat and before you come to a standstill the bead might have come of the rim. In this case you will find it hard to get it back up on the rim without a powerful compressor. If you fit a tube you can pump at leisure because at some point the pressure will be enough to get the bead pushed nicely in place. An inner tube is much safer to fit than a plug, and making use of a pump rather than CO2 cylinders is more work but have a unlimited supply of air where as the CO2 cartridges can leave you with a half inflated tyre and no more CO2 and what if you get another flat before you have bought more. Tubeless tyres are running cooler than tyres fitted with a tube and hence they will also last longer. They are safer than tubed wheels at high speeds and for highway use, but at slower speeds traveling on gravel roads it is much safer to fit tubes even on tubeless wheels. This is especially true if you run your tyres at lower pressures for better traction on loose gravel and sand. The beads of Tubeless tyres have a tendency to come of the rim when not inflated at the recommended pressures and it causes an immediate and dangerous release of all the air from the tyre.
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#10
29 Mar 2007
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get your tyres filled with punctureseal before you go mate, then dont bother taking a repair kit.
its great stuff, and if the holes too big for it to seal then theres no way youre going to patch it.
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#11
12 Apr 2007
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You can put tubes inside a tubeless tyre it you get really desperate !
If you use ultraseal, you cant/shouldnt repair a tyre afterwards. Take some tyre bungs and learn how to use them before you go.
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#12
12 Apr 2007
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Balls
[quote=tedmagnum;132943]You can put tubes inside a tubeless tyre it you get really desperate !
Talking of tubes, anyone used these? Bit expensive mind.  DirtBikeStore.com Ltd Tire Balls Tire Balls
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#13
12 Apr 2007
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[QUOTE=Stagbeetle;132945]
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#14
13 Apr 2007
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Tyre Balls
Take a look at limitations of use - DirtBikeStore.com Ltd Tire Balls Tire Balls - scroll down!
Not recommended 0ver 50 mph on paved roads. Not tried them myself. Alec
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#15
13 Apr 2007
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Forget tubes, the tyres are too hard to get off the rim. Just use Slime or a similar product, or get a repair kit and learn how to use it.
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