I don't seem to have a picture at the top but do know what sun screen you are talking about. My thoughts are that it's just another thing that can jamb or break.

The best solution I have found so far is the Shoei Pinlock system where you have a insert which is fixed to your visor with two pins. They now come as a kit (including drill bit) which you can fit to any visor. The insert comes in various tint shades hence I use the clear insert for winter and the darkest for summer. It's also the only system that effectively keeps my visors from misting up in all conditions.

So my next helmet with be the soon to be release HJC CL-XS motorcross helmet with visor (same as Tour X) and fitting the shoei insert to the visor.

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Wheelie,

You asked;
> How do you feel the Airoh compares in quality to similar helmets of other brands?
I don't know much about other similar helmets. This one fitted me right and I think it offers value for money.

> How about noiselevels compared to similar helmets of other brands?
Don't know. I have been told that all helmets of this type make more noise then conventional full face helmets.

> Comfort?
Except for the short chin strap it is fine.
In winter the ventilation could be better.
When I bought it, it had an extra visor on the inside of the main visor so it was some kind of double glazing. That worked well as long as it lasted but with a trip in heavy rain, the inner visor came loose. May be bad glue. Maybe I'll put it in place someday but most of the time I ride with my helmet visor just a little bit open.

> Price?
I payed 249 Euro for it in the Netherlands.

> Is it worth its money? Are you happy with it?
I think it is worth the money but next time I would try some more other brands first (and maybe buy this one anyway)

> Would you reccomend the helmet?
Maybe but a helmet is very personal.

> If you could turn the clock back, which helmet would you have chosen?
I would have tried more other helmets, including a BMW system helmet but I don't know if the BMW helmets have a sun visor and I like that very much!!

> What will your next helmet be?
I really don't know

> What is your "dream helmet"?
One that fits like a glove, always has a clear view and perfect ventilation in winter and summer, and it would be nice if it looked good too. :-)
I'm not sure if it is for sale right now.

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Thanks for the info.

Sun visor coming off, screws coming loose, short chin strap, double glare and not adequate ventilation in winther...

Is this normal for these types of helmets, I hope not...

But it seemed like it wasn't too expensive. I will seriously concider this helmet though... and try others as well.

Again, thanks

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I went to a motorcycle expo this weekend where I among other things tried on a few helmets.

The airoh above was a HUGE disapointment. It has a chin strap locking mechanism which in my opinion rendered the helmet completely out of the question. Although the latch is the most convenient I have seen, its large plastic pieces bore into my throat. Even when loos it hurt swallowing or looking down. Three different people tried the helmet on and experienced the same thing. Caberg also had these latches for a while but dropped them... now I know why. Further, the Airoh just doens,t look as well built, especially around the face shield mountings. Lastly, the sun shade in the picture comes black as standard in the plastic model (no idea with the fiberglass model).

Schuberth (those that produce helmets for BMW) had a comparable helmet with a sun visor. This helmet was really light and comfortable. I don't like to admit it, I decided not to buy it even at a 40% discount. The reason was not performance, but its looks. It looked big, and the sun shield looked skimpy and primitive. In fact, I thought the whole helmet looked "primitive" and old. I also thought it looked like something I had seen in movies from the 70s trying to depict future space walks... In terms of performance, the only thing I really didn't like was the latch for the flip front. I found it rather cumbersome and poorly located.



The helmet I fell in love with was Caberg's system helmet Justissimo which in adition to having a sun visor and flip front, also can be converted into a "Jet" type helmet (by removing the chin bar and swithing the face shield). The helmet was ultra comfortable, looked well built, sophisticated, moderm....


I didn't get the chance to test them for noise...


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BTW: Are you considering this kind of helmet for winter use? I wouldn't, unless you make some sort of heat threads in the visor. The mist from you breath tends to freeze on the visor on low temperatures, as you are aware of. It is possible however to mount a double visor to make this to a lesser problem. It won't make all the problems disappear though. I bought myself a snowmobile full face helmet made for winter use. Very useable even down to -25 centigrades without mist problems on the visor. (Haven't tried even colder yet.)

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The latest Schuberth model (C2) is a totally revised C1. It seems as if exept for the shell and the sun visor, there's nothing the same. The noise level is much lower than of the C1, the visor doesn't vibrate anymore. My old BMW system 3 helmet was quieter than the C1, but driving with the new Schubert I don't use earplugs anymore. I've done about 4000 km's with it and wouldn't miss it anymore.

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The helmet I tried was probably the C1 as it was knocked off 40%. They also mentioned that they had a newer and improved model. Still, though, the C1 (if that was the one I tried), seemed like an awesome helmet. If what you say is true, I can't immagine how good it must be. But, I really liked the ingeniousness and looks of the Caberg more. Either way, any of these helmets, including the Airoh (if the helmet fits your head without choking you), makes for a good helmet. I do believe that the Airoh is a little bit more about looks than quality. The plastic one is cheap and worth the cash if it fits you comfortably (though I doubt it will). When it comes to their fibre glass model I feel it is over priced.

As for riding in the winter... only if I have to. I rode only a few kilometers the other day on probably the coldest day all winther (in an open faced helmet)... brrrrrr.

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I'm not really sure if your main interest is the flip front feature or the sun visor. We've now been using sun visors on different style helmets for the last 3 years and I think they are absolutely brilliant. Just to be able to flick down the sun visor when you turn into the sun or flick it out the way if you move into the shade or into a tunnel is worth a lot. We've tried the Caberg open face, Nolan open face, Nolan flip front and Caberg full face. All with flip sun visors either outside or inside the main visor.
For me the main attraction initially is that because I had to wear glasses to ride, using sun glasses wasn't an option. Now I'm wearing contact lenses I may feel sun glasses are OK this summer, but the convenience of being able to flick a sun screen into your vision on demand is definitely a worthwhile safety aspect.
All the above helmets we've found comfortable although I think we both prefer the open face options. There's no doubt the full face provides the best protection from wind noise, bad weather and presumably accident damage. But I find the open face gives better all round vision, is lighter, more comfortable and not as claustrophobic.
Vanessa is using a Nolan flip front during the winter and finds it heavier than she would like. I'm using a Caberg full face and I wish I'd paid the extra for the flip front, but I guess that's because I've always been used to open face helmets.

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Just thought i would mention there is an Airoh Tyger going on uk ebay atm for £35 with 18hrs left.. I have one of these and i love it. It looks the mutts nuts, fits god, is perhaps a little noisy but nothing too severe.

These retail in Uk at about £100, i got mine off of ebay for £65 brand new and can recommend them.

Wheelie - dont know if you read my write up on the schuberth J1 open face - search under Schuberth on this site. still using it all the time it is superb if a litle bit to noisy but fine with earplugs. I find it far far better than my schuberth S1. I also used a caberg for a while and found the fit to be poor after a while, the helmet was very noisy and rattly and heavy as well I could not recommend it and certainly not for long trips where its on your head along time. - mind you someone else may find it superb what suits one may not suit another eh!.

A bit further up in this thread I really flamed my old Schuberth Concept C1, and said I'd never ever have another one of these pieces of junk. Guess what: Yesterday I bought the Schuberth Concept C2... I tried on the Caberg Justissimo, but somehow it wouldn't fit. The Schuberth, on the other hand, felt like it was made for me...

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I've owned a Caberg Justissimo for over two years. I like, but do not love it.

It still fits my large head, the padding has not "retreated."

It is noisier than a normal full face, but my hearing is buggered from being a combat engineer in the Oz Army, so no matter, I'm nearly deaf anyway!

The second sun visor is excellent in Oz.

Service from the UK has been excellent, my first visor "yellowed" within about six months. A new one was dispatched, without question, immediately.

The clip, I like better than the WWII rings.

The hemet lock D ring is rusting to the chinstrap, probably from the sweat rather than the rain, Perth is a temperate desert.

All in all, I'd recommend it, but I'd try others before I just bought the same again. I'd probably pay the extra ten quid for the graphic one, and also get the iridium sun visor.

Thar ya go....

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One more thing about the Caberg, which I've found to be a significant attribute for me (but not for most). The flip front mechanism of the Caberg Justissimo makes for an easy peacy job of mounting a helmet cam which is not affected by the flip front mechanism (on this helmet, on either side of the helmet). With most other helmets I have looked at, the flip front mechanism would be a problem as the flip front either would be obstructed by the camera, or that the camera would flip up together with the chin bar and/or visor.

One negative issue though, I found that the recessment in the styrofoam where headset speakers are to go, were not ideally placed (unless your ears are really far back on your head). I guess the chin padding and the chin strap makes any other location impossible.

I have never tried to mount a communication device on any other helmet, yet alone a flip front, so I have no idea how other similar helmets compare along this attribute. The speakers do work ok, but it is not an ideal location. I would certainly compare these attributes among helmets if you were to gadgetise one.

As for the noise levels, I am quite satisfied, but then again it is about five years ago since I last owned anything but an open faced helmet, which was a full faced without the flip front. This is my first flip front, so I can't really speak about noise comparisons amongst other flip fronts... But one thing is certain, I will never own a regular full faced helmet again, flip fronts rule.

IWhen it comes to noise levels, this could very easily be remedied I'm sure. When I first attempted to fit the speakers, I test fitted them on the outside of the chin padding, right on my ears (to locate optimal location). Although pretty uncomfortable, when turned off, it blocked out just about all sounds completely, and I could barely hear anything at all, barely even my noisy one cylindered two stroke... it was frightening how silent it was as it was like loosing one of my senses completely. Riding like this would be an incredible hazard.

I guess, with some easy modifications, using a bit of welcro and something to block out the sound, you could make this helmet really silent, as silent as you would ever want a helmet to be. I think the main culprit on this helmet is the area where the chin strap passes through the padding, which is right on your ear. It has a recess where extrra padding or other could be easily fitted. I bet you could even do this comfortably if you put your mind to it. Personally, I'm not bothered at all with the helmet as it is, and so far, I can highly reccomend it. You will just have to wait for my verdict after a few thousand kilometers, but it looks promising.

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I have some experience with both, the Schubert C2 and the Caberg Justissimo as well as a Caberg with flip front but no sun visor. Here's what I think of these three:

Schuberg C2:
Definitely the most quiet one of the three however I never felt disturbed or never got a headache with the Caberg helmets (and I only recently started using earplugs). It's quite nice though to be able to hear oneself talk during a loooong day on the bike (ok I admit it, I'm singing when I get bored...). What I definitely didn't like was the sun visor - it's too small. What may be good on a street bike where you lean forward when sitting on the bike anyway is just awful on my Ténéré where I'm sitting upright. Would the visor be but one inch longer it'd be perfect, but with it being as short as it is it ends exactly in the middle of my field of vision, meaning that there's a very disturbing line right where I definitely don't want it to be. What I also didn't like was the latch for the flip front as it was both too small and placed on the side of the helmet - I always needed several attempts and both hands.

Caberg Justissimo:
Definitely noisier than the C2 (I don't have any experience with the C1 therefore no comparison there), longer sun visor which made it acceptable. However I decided not to purchase it since I prefer sunglasses anyway. The latch for the flip front is placed right in the middle and I definitely preferred that system to the Schubert C2.


Caberg Just One Easy (flip front, no sun visor):


I ended up purchasing this one not only because I got a great deal on it (50% off on IMOT in Munich) but also because it seemed to fit perfectly. Both the Justissimo and the Schubert were either too large or too small which was weird, considering the fact that the Justissimo is just an Easy with added sun visor.
The Easy is definitely the noisiest one but still I was fine with it.

I don't use it anymore though since I also purchased a Nexo cross helmet.

Back when I purchased the Caberg I still had an XJ600 and XL185, hence two helmets - now it's an XL185 and XT600Z and prefer the Nexo to the Caberg (of course not only in terms of looking cool... *cough*). My girlfriend is using my Caberg now and is quite comfortable with it as well but she definitely needs earplugs.

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I used the Autocom system in a Schuberth C1 and then later and Arai FV.
If you use the boom mic it works fine in flip-front and fullface helmets.

I currently have a Schuberth S1 for road use. Love it... integral sunvisor as well.
Did not like the "seatbelt" chinstrap so got with the optoinal Double D ring strap.
Its also very quiet and with excelent ventilation from about 40kph.

John

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