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Old 3 Jan 2009
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No, the multi-fuel stove is liquid fuels only, to be honest I've only ever used it with petrol, and don't really know which other fuels you can put in it, I should look sometime I guess. You just take out the spirit burner and it fits in the same place.



They do do a gas burner as well, but it says it fits the Primus system, and I have no idea what fitting that is, anyone know?

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: I just looked on the Primus site and it says "INTERNATIONAL STANDARD SCREW THREAD" so I'd guess it'll take other canisters than Primus's own.



I suppose if you bought both of these extras you could be equipped for every eventuality. All the details are on the Trangia site
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ah right, i thought so.

i knew they did a gas converter, and its one of the most economical gas stoves you can get because of the trangia set up, all the heat goes up past the pot and doesnt escape out the sides.

the euro standard screw thread is the common one, coleman, primus, sunngas seem to be the most common makes here in UK.
gaz do their own types, the old piercable one that you cant take off again and a newer one with a valve in the cans.

you can get adaptors to put canisters on different types of stoves, could be handy if you cant get the type of can your stove needs? quite pricey though compared to just getting another stove.
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I was on a really tight budget when I bought my kit so I've got a military Trangia from here...

Buy your Trangia Army stove, mess kit, Trangia Army Stove, from Surplus & Adventure online Army & Navy superstore

The Trangia meths burner may work fine in summer and at low altitudes, but I found the time to boil a mug of water was unacceptable. I don't bother taking the Trangia burner and my Gelert S/S insulated mug is a perfect fit inside so keeps everything compact. At present, I see no reason why I'd need to upgrade this.

At the time, I couldn't justify the prices asked for some burners so I bought a Sunngas alpine stove from a camping shop.

Sunngas Alpine Camping Stove from Surplus and Outdoors / Camping Stoves

This set up has done everything from bike touring and short camping trips to beach fishing trips on the North Sea coast in winter and is still going well despite the sand and salt water. Price and stability are it's big plus points. The legs do fold away but due to the hose, pack size isn't anything special. I will look at upgrading to something more compact and better quality as and when I need to but it's well worth a look if money is tight.

As for the ecomentalists, I took the old cannister along to a camping shop in Germany, just in case there was a language problem buying a new one and they took the old cannister for recycling. BTW, I get about 5 days out of the small cannisters but I've never had a real problem finding a replacement. Even gas cannisters from DIY shops will fit if you're desperate.
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I have done some serious google-ing and this is what I have found.

As Alexlabrit said Campingaz is indeed French. The company interestingly became a part of Coleman Inc in 1996. The cylinders / canisters are available in western Europe and the Campingaz web site is even in French, German, Spanish, Italian and Dutch.

The AA Caravan & Camping guide tells which sites sell Campingaz and other gas types. Although I think this refers to the bigger caravan sized cylinders mostly.

I think carry a spare is the smart thing to do.
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I used a Brasslite alcohol stove on a recent trip in the US and it worked ok even for two pot meals but it was all but useless when I was camped at 2,500m/8000ft. This isn't a problem in Europe though. It's tiny, weighs nothing and the fuel is available everywhere. The important thing with these stoves is the windbreak. You have to make it close fitting, about 1/2" larger than the pot. I just bought some disposable oven trays and made it from those. Adjustable for each pot with two paperclips.



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If you really must drag around cooking equipment, why use anything than a coleman Duel fuel stove.

Pretty small, runs on the same petrol as your bike and packs a punch. Never let me down !

Why piss about with carrying gas or searching for replacements !!!

I also see no need for these hugely expensive MSR petrol stoves. They cost a fortune, block up just by looking at them and need Ieuan & Charleys back up crew to carry to tools to clean them..

Personally, id forget the stove and just carry bread, cheese and tinned meat for when you cant find an alternative... It usually ends up cheaper eating at a small local diner or kiosk than cooking for yourself anyway..

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Very sound advice.

Also when you say "a cannister usually lasts for more than one season for me" is that going on bike trips ? if so how long ? ie how many hours do you get out of a 470 cannister ? I know it will depend on how high you have it turned up.

Cheers for all the help so far everybody.
The spare I bought two years ago is still unused. I know the old cylinder is about done. when I fit it, I will at the end of that trip buy a replacement at our local supermarket. Each year I usually do two trips of about a week, cooking breakfast and one other meal at least per day, plus the extra odd brew of tea or coffee usually 2-3 weekend trips also. One of teh weekends is usually the trip to German diesel bike rally which is at the end of the season (my season) so more need for hot stuff.
The windshield is very important. I brew tea or coffee in a saucepan using tea/coffee bags. Generally a 270 is good for a year and a bit, the 470's last about twice that, but only cost a little bit more. the can be removed as they are self sealing (ball valve). So I guess you could just dump the cannister and keep the burner if you flying. If I had to live using it I would go for a fuel the same as my vehicle, but gaz is not expensive and very clean (In Europe/Morocco at least).
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Gix,
First off advise is a verb so it is correct to write, I advise you to think carefully.
Advice is a noun, my advice follows:

Petrol, your bike runs on it.
Your stove runs on it.
No brainer.
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You have to look at the overall performance. gas canisters don't like cold and high altitude, it's the same for the trangia type alcohol stoves. I've never had any such problems with my Coleman 533. Ok, the performance drops off a bit in those conditions but it'll still cook your meal pretty quick. You can die of starvation waiting for some stoves!
Yup..

I swear by mine.. Always lights, always cooks and you can use a multitude of fuels in it. Petrol obviously you will always on tap.

You can carry it full of fuel and it doesn't leak, no messing about with assembling or cleaning after every use and they aren't even expensive.

I love mine and really cant see why anyone would bother with anything else.
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Ted is right. I have a Coleman Sportster that I got off the net for £30. Absolutely solid, if you want to go lightweight get the 'feather' version. I have only ever run mine off unleaded petrol and have had no problems.

Compared to the £5 (!) for a gas cylinder (just been in my local outdoor shop - couldn't believe the price) the tank of the sporster will cost about 50p to fill up. And, like has been said, it runs on the same fuel as the bike. I also believe there is no need for the more expensive MSR jobs, they are more fiddly and some you cant adjust the flame on them - try simmering on that! They are lighter, sure, but you are riding, not hiking, so a few grams either way is irrelevent.

Like Ted, I can't see why anyone uses anything else for bike touring.

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Yup..

I swear by mine.. Always lights, always cooks and you can use a multitude of fuels in it. Petrol obviously you will always on tap.

You can carry it full of fuel and it doesn't leak, no messing about with assembling or cleaning after every use and they aren't even expensive.

I love mine and really cant see why anyone would bother with anything else.
Got to try one today, they're fantastic, if I didn't already have the Trangia set up I'd have the 533, you just get the feeling it's robust and will last for years, whereas the Trangia one I have is a bit finickety. At the risk of having scorn poured all over me, the Coleman is the Toyota, and the Trangia's the Landie.
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petrol wins...

I've used a Coleman 533 and was quite happy with it until i bought my new Optimus Nova Plus. Having a bottle you can detach makes it easier to pack away and the stove is much more stable on the ground not to mention more powerful.

I also have a twist on gas stove which i hardly ever use now. Its nice in that its cleaner and has its own lighter built in, but its just not powerful enough and is even worse in the cold.
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Alkylate petrol - worth considering if in Europe

Gixxer

Check out my thread on "petrol alternative" liquid fuel if you are using a multifuel stove. We have road tested both the Trangia type systems outlined by Alexlebrit - very efficient! Very clean.

More data on the clean petrol option can be found here

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