Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Equipment, Travel > Camping Equipment and all Clothing

Camping Equipment and all Clothing Tents, sleeping bags, stoves etc. Riding clothing, boots, helmets, what to wear when not riding, etc.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 2 Jan 2009
gixxer.rob's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Back in Melb
Posts: 292
Camp Stoves Petrol vs Gas

Happy New Year to all,

I have been reading through all the posts on stoves and most people seem to go for a petrol burning type. I see the advantages to this, one fuel type to carry and always have a big supply of it, you should be able to get fuel everywhere or you have other problems.

I will be going through Europe (west & east) soon and was looking at the gas container type stoves. They seem to break down a bit smaller and although petrol stoves don't seem tricky there is even less to the gas type. Something like the Campingaz Twister 270.

What is the availability of the campingaz gas containers like in western Europe ? is there a more popular brand ? or are they not used much at all hence why everybody seems to use petrol type ?

Any advise would be helpful.

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Staffordshire. uk
Posts: 776
You have to look at the overall performance. gas canisters don't like cold and high altitude, it's the same for the trangia type alcohol stoves. I've never had any such problems with my Coleman 533. Ok, the performance drops off a bit in those conditions but it'll still cook your meal pretty quick. You can die of starvation waiting for some stoves!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Big Yellow Tractor's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: England
Posts: 605
I have always been a great deffender of Trangia type stoves, especially the military ones but have recently converted to a Coleman. http://www.johnscrossshop.co.uk/WebP...e=076501215366

It fires up really quick and is nearly as controlable as a gas stove. The other advantage is as you wrote, that the fuel is the same as the bike. OK, they don't pack down small.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 2 Jan 2009
gixxer.rob's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Back in Melb
Posts: 292
Pack Size

Pack size is a factor as we will be on the road for 3+ months. I have no problem putting T piece and tap the fuel line to allow filling a Coleman like the feather.

But if the Campingaz or the Coleman gas stove cylinders are widely available it seems a bit easier. I don't think I will be camping at a very high altitude.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: sunny England
Posts: 789
ive had both the coleman sportster and the pro/butane stove i use now, and ive used a trangia in the past.

they all had pros and cons, the petrol stove went like a rocket and you'll never run out of fuel, but was a bit fiddly and messy i suppose.
the trangia was slow and messy, but v.low tech for maintenance and a superb design for packing everything away.
the gas job is halfway between the two with no mess and tiny stoves but the bottles dont last very long unless you get the bulky big boys, but they are easy to find across europe.

the best stove for me would be the 27-series trangia with gas converter, but im not rockerfeller
__________________
dave
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Contributing Vendor
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 973
For you, I think in Europe you can find cannisters for a stove and generally they seem to be pretty cross-compatible: I was able to use a Coleman cannister on my Primus so vice-versa etc.

Otherwise, consider a multifuel stove: they keep your options open:
I pushed the boat out and got a Primus Omnifuel when it was on sale. As the name suggests it will run on anything including compressed brown envelopes soaked in water... indeed I have cooked on petrol, but its messy (loads of soot)

Failing that you can get cooking fuel (white gas?): it is used the way petrol would be, but burns really cleanly, and the bottles it comes in can be recycled: I understood from one salesman in Ellis-Brigham or Blacks who was into his camping that the gas cannisters are not refillable: so they make a lot of waste to relatively few cups of brew: perhaps something to bear in mind.

Alternatively there is the a Trangia meths burner: meths is pretty universal....
__________________
Adventure: it's an experience, not a style!
(so ride what you like, but ride it somewhere new!)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Alexlebrit's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West London
Posts: 922
Well here in France Campig Gaz is widely available, you just wander into supermarkets and voila.

Couple of things to consider. If your gaz stove has cartridges you pierce then look out for the packsize as you can't remove the cartridge once it's on, and secondly, environmentalistness. Unless you religiously recycle them the cartridges are a huge waste of metal.

For years I travelled with a Camping Gaz stove, and I still use it for festivals, as I can take my toaster, and it lights easier. But for travelling I use a Trangia with the multi-fuel adaptor, just for the fact I know I can always scrounge some fuel.
__________________
Happiness has 125 cc
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 2 Jan 2009
gixxer.rob's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Back in Melb
Posts: 292
Confusion

Sorry guys I should have added a link, The campingaz stove and cylinders/canisters are of the Easy Clic type. You can remove them at will. I had one back in Aus but didn't use it much so never found out how long a cylinder/canisters lasts.

Alexlebrit, is it these campingaz Easy Clic canisters that available in France or the type you referred too only ?

You can see the different types on the link below. It also shows the Coleman versions as well.

http://www.johnscrossshop.co.uk/WebP...egoryCode=1500

Sorry for the confusion.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Alexlebrit's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West London
Posts: 922
Being French (I believe) Camping Gaz of all types is easily found. Coleman being American might be different, but to be honest those canisters look the same to me, are there any differences?
__________________
Happiness has 125 cc
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 2 Jan 2009
gixxer.rob's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Back in Melb
Posts: 292
Ah "Being French" is an important fact. I didn't know that. In theory the neighbouring countries should / might sell them.

Yup both the Campingaz and the Coleman have puncture type and detachable types. The Campingaz detachable type clips & clamps on. The Coleman screws on.

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,508
I bought my 270 stove in the UK, they are very popular cannister in France also. Note the 470 has double the gaz for just a small increase in price (same fitting). Also these use a mixture of butane and propane so work much colder than most. They are much used for soldering/brazing and can be had in any toolshop or supermarket. a cannister usually lasts for more than one season for me.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Stourbridge England
Posts: 29
Hi there I have used camping gaz ones, trangia and have finally setteled on a msr dragonfly. This is mainly for two reasons, the first of which is the fact that you have a great amount of heat and control with the msr enabling you to actually cook as apposed to just boil water and reheat.

The other reason being I was away on a trip in wales, set up camp just started to cook with my camping gaz stove, and it started to run out of gas, it was a Sunday and I had been trying to find a spare to buy all day, but to no avail. Anyway it ran out with the pasta part rehydrated, leaving me with no brew and no dinner, stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Guess what I am saying is this happened mid camping season in wales which is built on camping caravanning tourism and absolutely riddled with campsites and camping shops. It might not be quite so easy in the middle of eastern europe.

Anyway there's my two penny's worth.

All the best and a happy new year Tom
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 2 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbmw View Post
I bought my 270 stove in the UK, they are very popular cannister in France also. Note the 470 has double the gaz for just a small increase in price (same fitting). Also these use a mixture of butane and propane so work much colder than most. They are much used for soldering/brazing and can be had in any toolshop or supermarket. a cannister usually lasts for more than one season for me.
additional. I always carry a spare cannister
second, make sure the flame area is shielded from the wind, can halve cooking time.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 3 Jan 2009
gixxer.rob's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Back in Melb
Posts: 292
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbmw View Post
additional. I always carry a spare cannister
second, make sure the flame area is shielded from the wind, can halve cooking time.
Very sound advice.

Also when you say "a cannister usually lasts for more than one season for me" is that going on bike trips ? if so how long ? ie how many hours do you get out of a 470 cannister ? I know it will depend on how high you have it turned up.

Cheers for all the help so far everybody.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 3 Jan 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: sunny England
Posts: 789
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexlebrit View Post
.........................For years I travelled with a Camping Gaz stove, and I still use it for festivals, as I can take my toaster, and it lights easier. But for travelling I use a Trangia with the multi-fuel adaptor, just for the fact I know I can always scrounge some fuel.
Axelbrit, does the multifuel adaptor also attach to gas canisters?

the euro screw type gas cans are readily available all over. when bike camping i generally get 3 or 4 days out of a 270, thats cooking breakfast and some dinners, lunch and as many dinners as poss eating out, im supposed to be on holiday!

in UK i cook myself all the time, as i can do a better job than the overpriced crap some foreign student undercooks for you. in france the stove only comes out for breakfast, when you can have a slap up feast in any roadside caff for a few quid whats the point?
__________________
dave
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hex Stoves ??? yarry rob Camping Equipment and all Clothing 10 18 Jan 2005 15:01
Stoves AGAIN.... :-) bernardo feio lightweight Equipment Reviews 16 27 Aug 2004 22:04
stoves and water filters alan hopkins Camping Equipment and all Clothing 3 14 Apr 2004 21:19
stoves,the hunter! mascot Equipment Reviews 0 6 Nov 2002 18:33
Petrol Stoves iel20 Camping Equipment and all Clothing 12 10 Jun 2002 01:43

 
 


HU DVD Summer Special!

Now that summer is here, get On the Road! Take 30% off the Achievable Dream - On the Road! 2-DVD set until August 31 only. Get On the Road! Learn the tips to staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure!

Our veteran travellers share their tips (and great stories) for staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure.

"A fantastic, informative and inspirational DVD."

"It's brilliant - thank you very much!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'ONTHEROAD' on your order when you checkout.


Renedian Adventures


Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 23:09.