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Boyer bransden power box

This device may be of use to some; it can be retrofitted to most bikes and advice sought from the makers.



Basically, it is a regulator/rectifier with an integrated capacitor. The reg/rec is a common point of failure in the charging system as the lack of charge to start the engine when the main/chassis battery is flat. I havn't tested it and advice should be sought from the makers but the capacitor may hold sufficient current to operate the FI system when the main battery can't. It also has circuitry which switches of the lights until the engine (and charging system) begins to operate.

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Snetterton, about 1973. 1000cc class. (Can't use kick start).
McCrank is No. 26, Norton Commando.

Pull back against compression, even with a twin.

Looks like all eyes are on the starter, so flag not dropped yet. (My dad took these photos, have no memory of the particular meeting).


The accepted benchmark used to be - 3 good strides, then bum on seat and drop clutch in one action - left foot on left footrest.
Or 4 strides if 3 REALLY wasn't enough.


Bum is on seat, but a slow start - No. 52 in front already has leg over....

I thought there might be videos to find of push starts for Manx Nortons and the like. But all I could find was this, which shows it OK I think.
Suzuki Racing in the early 60s - Part 1 - YouTube
Small 2-strokes need a lot of running to get going.

On to the TT, 1960s:
Suzuki Racing in the early 60s - Part 1 - YouTube
Competitors and spectators start the fortnight like this.
Some on-bike footage as well - my, how that circuit has changed!

A good tutorial here:
Suzuki Racing in the early 60s - Part 2 - YouTube

Another lesson here:
Suzuki Racing in the early 60s - Part 2 - YouTube
All small 2-strokes

Back to the original question - I've found over the years that my Aprilia Mille requires a good battery just to boot the computer. If I connect up a battery that isn't fully charged, the computer still boots (lights flash and needles jump). And the starter motor turns on the button, but no engine start. The computer hasn't booted properly.
Connect a fully charged battery, and all is OK.

So my experience of an EFI bike, you definitely need a good battery to start without use of the starter motor.
A lot of competition riders these days remove their starter motors (heavy) and use rollers to start, but always with a good battery I think.
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Yesterday morning i had an O-shit moment with my F650GS, battery 2 years old and bike hadn't been ridden for a few weeks, took a bit of cranking at the house to get it going then road it 15kms to the boat,, 20 minute boat trip to the next island and just cranked a bit slowly but wouldn't start,, got the boat guys to push me back and forth in the parking lot and still nothing,, all it did was skid the rear tire in 5th or 6th even.. I only weigh 80 kilo's but my weight was not enough to get it turning over.. finally dry mouthed, pissed off and wheezing like an old fart, i just sat on it for a minute or two, turned the ignition back on it went Rrrrrrr. and started.. Drove it an hour keeping the revs around 4 to 5 thousand and stopped for gas (another ass pucker moment) Hit the starter and it did another Rrrrrr and started.. Drove another 2 hours and got to my destination and shut if off and headed for the adult beaverage dept.. did my business afterwards and left it overnight, this morning did the Rrrrr thing again and lit up right away.. Drove back towards the boat 3 hours and the battery seems to have finally charged up again. Starts again like it used to ,, one click on the switch and you don't hear even the starter, just like normal, touch the switch and vroom its going.. New battery coming up I'm sure.. soon..
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EFI still needs 12V, no matter how low the amps.

Another factor to consider is whether your battery is just flat, or whether one of the (6) cells has died. If it is the latter then you may find that your bike isn't going anywhere no matter how much you push/pull/bump/jump start it.

I had this problem 5 years ago in Siberia on my EFI Burgman 650. The bike would not continue running once it had been jumpstarted. I still haven't fully determined the reason for this but I believe it was either the fact that the fuel pump required a minimum of 12V to operate or that there was some clever programming in the ECU that told the injectors they could only operate with that voltage.

Indicators, headlight, horn etc, would operate but the bike would not start until it saw at least 12V (battery showed around 10.8). I was fortunate enough to be able to borrow a 12V lower amperage battery which got me from Chita, to Irkutsk, where I was able to purchase a replacement.
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I once had a battery fail on me during a trip on a DL650. It could no longer hold the charge, so some mornings, when it was below 0 C, I had to push-start the thing. Was really easy to do so, though, as it always fired on first attempt. But the battery wasn´t completely flat, just partially discharged.
Kind of an old post, but do you recall which gear you put the bike in?

A couple of years ago I managed to bump start my V-Strom in first gear after several unsuccessful tries in second or third.

A few months ago I tried again to bump start the bike, in both second and first. I wasn't able to do it and had to pull out my jumper cables.

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