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Walkabout , did you have a good look at the new F650gs twin ? i would be interested to know what you thought of the seat height and riding position , compared to the F800GS . i am seriously thinking of this one , the 650 twin , as my next bike , but i will not get the chance to see one in the metal until march 8 , when it is launched in BMW dealers .
Well, the answer is a bit of yes and a bit of no.
I did not sit on that bike, mainly because I am very familiar with the "old" 650GS and this one does not look very different for the seating position - apart from that, you don't get much idea from simply sitting on these things for a short time and I would want as long a test ride as I can get out of a dealer. Having said that, it looks very much like the 800GS overall, including the riding position; I liked the 800GS on this score - hands fell naturally enough on to the bars and the leg room was good; it also felt OK when standing on the pegs and the seat is very narrow at the front so touching both feet on the ground is easy enough. So, I don't think the 650GS will be any different for these aspects.

You probably know that it is listed at £5500 and it seems pretty good value to me at this price - you get a shorter travel suspension for this price, compared with the 800GS, possibly cheaper in construction (I can't remember all the specifications that I have read!), and it is on cast wheels - more of a road bike then.
In side view, apart from the above, the two bikes look the same (because they are).
There are various seat options, as for all other Beemers, so you could vary that to suit your inside leg measurement. At the show are the red and iceberg silver metallic colours, and IMO they look better than the F800GS colours.

As a thought, I have been slightly surprised that more people are not talking about this model here - dominated by the 800 of course, but the 650 seems to be a good bike for the money with 71 HP available from the revised camshafts. It should be good on fuel economy as well.

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Just found out yesterday, the F800GS won't reach Dubai until March 2008 ("with no choice of colours or specs for customers"). What about the rest of you?
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It seems that the bikes will be available around Mar 08, judging by the general information that is going around; certainly in the UK there will be a "hosting" weekend for releasing the bikes to the public, with demo rides etc etc, at every dealer in the UK and all on the same weekend - just the BMW way of doing things.

At present, the marketing "thing" is unstoppable:-
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I hope that does not refer to the F650GS, which has a single front disc brake!

I think the choice of colour "approach" will be take it or someone else will buy it: they will be in short supply at first, to meet worldwide demand, and there are just 2 colours for the 800 anyway. Later on, you will be able to order whichever of those 2 choices you prefer and, later still, they may even spray some other colours around: say in 2009.
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At present, the marketing "thing" is unstoppable:
It is nice to see that they have picked up some design from the R80/100
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Called the BMW dealer in Bremen (which is a major one) for a testride and they, too, get the 800 GS only in March.

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There has been no mention of Dakar or Adv versions of either the new 650 or the new 800GSs. Pontentially, these may not happen for pricing differentials to be maintained with the 1200GS models, but never say never perhaps?!

Thats beause the F800GS * IS * the Dakar version of the new F650GS.

The two new bikes (F650 and F800) are direct replacements for the 2 old bikes (F650, and Dakar).

BMW wont make a 3rd (Adventure) version of the same bike. They didnt last time, and to do so would make the 1200GS Adventure obsolete.
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Thats beause the F800GS * IS * the Dakar version of the new F650GS.

The two new bikes (F650 and F800) are direct replacements for the 2 old bikes (F650, and Dakar).

BMW wont make a 3rd (Adventure) version of the same bike. They didnt last time, and to do so would make the 1200GS Adventure obsolete.

Maybe, but they don't use that marketing ploy - they are both "unstoppable" and the new 650 is called the "enduro" bike at present.
BMW should not discard the Dakar name easily, IMO.
BMW are committed to produce 2 new models per year, unless the 5-6 that are coming in 2008 are the "big bang" that will put paid to that statement of just a few years ago.

Anyway, A Yam Super Tenere (say) with a bigger engine (TDM 900cc lump?) could change the situation.
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Called the BMW dealer in Bremen (which is a major one) for a testride and they, too, get the 800 GS only in March.

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Hi Lars, are you thinking of getting one to replace your old beast?

I've just received a UK dealer newsletter which also gives 8th March as the launch date priced £6,695.
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The "old" single cyl F650GS is definitely not in the BMW lineup for 2008; the new one is a "mini-800GS" and all the technical data etc that has been released recently is confirmed at the NEC show.
There should be some good second hand Dakars around for some time to come as people trade on their bikes. There has been no mention of Dakar or Adv versions of either the new 650 or the new 800GSs. Pontentially, these may not happen for pricing differentials to be maintained with the 1200GS models, but never say never perhaps?!

KTM; no sign of the 690 Adv but lots of models are now using the 690 engine so it can't be all that far away. There is no 950 now - the KTM show stand has just the 990 FI bike and a small cross referenced area to "adventure touring" - all this within yards of the BMW razz-a-ma-tazz that includes a Tourtech stand right next to it and, heavens above, a Charley B presence signing books for Christmas.
ps the show is scheduled even later next year - even better for Christmas presents!!
thanks for the reply sorry for the late delay, net down these days. time to wait and see so for a few monts who comes out with a nice new adventure orientated bike. my hands are fligking my cash to buy the winner
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BMW should not discard the Dakar name easily, IMO.
Well apparently the plan was to name the two new bike the F800GS and the F800GS Dakar, but it was unpopular with BMW dealers ... they wanted to keep the F650GS name going as it sells as good entry-level dual-purpose bike. Dealers want to keep that identity with the new bikes and so the original F800GS was renamed the F650GS. Which left the F800GS Dakar namechanged to the F800GS.

In any case, they also had a problem calling an 800cc bike a "Dakar" since the Dakar race is now limited to bikes under 700cc, so the compromise above made double sense.
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