Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > BMW Tech

BMW Tech BMW Tech Forum - For Questions specific and of interest to BMW riders only. Questions comparing which bike is best etc go in the "Which Bike" forum.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

7 Litre Camel Tank Lets You Explore More, Click to Find out More!

Like Tree2Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 6 Jan 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowraven View Post
I may need to do some work in that dept. The fusebox location on the g/s seems like an afterthought. I'll have to look into it.
Don't a bloody R80rt then, the bloody things are in the headlamp shell!!, and a pain in the ass to get to..., I ended up relocating my fuses into the tank box ( it was an ex police R80 and had the radio box built into the top of the gas tank)
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 6 Jan 2011
Dodger's Avatar
Large Golden Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BC, Canada
Posts: 1,098
Quote:
If I break down, I go fishing, take a well needed break, etc etc. I never travel with an agenda or timeline. Too dangerous and kills the fun. You see things at 35mph that you don't see at 60 mph and things at 60 you don't see at 80. Life is too short to rush
I'll drink to that !
__________________
Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light. - Spike Milligan
"When you come to a fork in the road ,take it ! When you come to a spoon in the road ,take that also ."
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 6 Jan 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stockholm - Sweden
Posts: 316
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowraven View Post
I ended up with a 450w Omega. I got a deal, $100 less than the perm magnet system
Did some research on that charge system.
Found out a couple points that I like on the Omega vs the Endura
Cons of Endura:
1. The Endra possibly won't work with bad battery...or no battery? So no charging a flat battery. Makes sense with a kickstart.
2. Replacement parts and hard to diagnose issues.
3. Heard to be Noisy
4. No replacement parts available, need to spend another $500USD to replace
Cons of Omega:
1. more parts to fail
2. Replacement parts only available from Rick, not from dealer
3. charges best at speed
Pros of Endura:
1. Few Parts to fail
2. Charges all the time close to max
3. Frees up room in charge section.
4. Less connections to fail.
Pros of Omega:
1. More ultimate power
2. Will run a batteryless bike.
3. Easy to diagnose by maintaining the airhead simplicity
4. Individual parts are available from Rick the seller...yes a pro too as he sells good stuff and stands by it.
Conclusion:
Both systems are equal in benefit, it all depends on what you want. I need heated grips, gps, liner and gloves at speed. I also like the ability to start and run a bike that the battery died and I had to kickstart to get running. This kit delivers for my needs.
Good point!
Poor/bad battery with permenent magnet alternator => no charging... experienced that once on a Kawasaki.

Availability of spares is most important.

If it is legal where you are to register and use your bike consider yet an option, car alternator.
Depending on pulley size you can get full power from idle and up. I have choosen to have full power from around 1800rpm, and charging from around 1000rpm.

Pros:
- choose an alterator that is most common in your area.
- low costs
- much more power than any bike-alterator (I have a 70A, 980W, installed now and plan to install a 90A, 1260W, on my summer bike)
- spares "all over"
- more stabil/balanced idle, similar to the older heavy flywheel
- engine runs a little bit cooler, and there is a fan blowing on the engine-side all the time
- installed on the righthand side of the bike => original alternator can be re-installed


Cons:
- takes about 20h to install
- belt needs tightning every now and then
- addes weight... 10 pounds or so
- installed on the lefthand side of the bike => original alternator mounts have been removed, no reistallment of original alternator possible with this camchain-cover; to re-install the original alternator one will have to get a new cam-chain cover.


Alternator installation, in Swedish - just look at the photos, they "tell the story" and give you all the installation procedures:
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/bilgen.html
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/mont_bilgen.html
__________________
Drive Safely,
Albert
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 6 Jan 2011
The Raven's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: liberty, Maine
Posts: 154
1/6/11 update

Didn't do much today except get a really nice fitting that allows me to refill the 1lb green propane cylinders with a 20lb tank. It should save me a few pennies considering those 1 pound tanks are $4.99 each. I can fill about 20-30 with a 13.99 refill. :clap

It's called a Mr. Heater F276172 1-Pound Disposable Propane Tank Refill Adapter.

Got a clutch as well because mine is the original and grabs when hot.


I took a couple photos of my transmission break that was caused by low torque of the drive shaft bolts when two came out and got jammed. I was considering having it welded but I heard about a product called pyroweld. That will probably solve the issue on the cheap and proper.





A fellow rider is graciously forwarding me an outline for the PD skid-plate. I have an official US Govt surplus sign (not stolen ) made of heavy aluminum and I'm just going to make my own skid and center stand plate rather than screw with eBay.


It's this thick
__________________
I'm Raven, a forever banished exile from ADV,

Check out our blog at
www.nomapnomads.com

Last edited by The Raven; 7 Jan 2011 at 00:26.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 6 Jan 2011
The Raven's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: liberty, Maine
Posts: 154
In Maine USA...everything is legal...including marrying your first cousin

Seriously though. I had briefly concidered doing that alt option for a few minutes but it's too heavy, expensive, exposed to the elements, and again..WAY TOO HEAVY.

Take a look at a friend of mines mod..800watts



Quote:
Originally Posted by dc lindberg View Post
Good point!
Poor/bad battery with permenent magnet alternator => no charging... experienced that once on a Kawasaki.

Availability of spares is most important.

If it is legal where you are to register and use your bike consider yet an option, car alternator.
Depending on pulley size you can get full power from idle and up. I have choosen to have full power from around 1800rpm, and charging from around 1000rpm.

Pros:
- choose an alterator that is most common in your area.
- low costs
- much more power than any bike-alterator (I have a 70A, 980W, installed now and plan to install a 90A, 1260W, on my summer bike)
- spares "all over"
- more stabil/balanced idle, similar to the older heavy flywheel
- engine runs a little bit cooler, and there is a fan blowing on the engine-side all the time
- installed on the righthand side of the bike => original alternator can be re-installed


Cons:
- takes about 20h to install
- belt needs tightning every now and then
- addes weight... 10 pounds or so
- installed on the lefthand side of the bike => original alternator mounts have been removed, no reistallment of original alternator possible with this camchain-cover; to re-install the original alternator one will have to get a new cam-chain cover.


Alternator installation, in Swedish - just look at the photos, they "tell the story" and give you all the installation procedures:
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/bilgen.html
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/mont_bilgen.html
__________________
I'm Raven, a forever banished exile from ADV,

Check out our blog at
www.nomapnomads.com
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 7 Jan 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stockholm - Sweden
Posts: 316
Weight -is- an issue.

Your friends installation of the 800W alternator is -awesome- !!!
__________________
Drive Safely,
Albert
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 7 Jan 2011
The Raven's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: liberty, Maine
Posts: 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by dc lindberg View Post
Weight -is- an issue.

Your friends installation of the 800W alternator is -awesome- !!!
Emailed back the questions you wanted.

BTW; the Alt is of Australian origin, and Greg Hutchinson of California installs them occasionally in his R80g/s buildups. Good guy who knows his stuff
__________________
I'm Raven, a forever banished exile from ADV,

Check out our blog at
www.nomapnomads.com
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 7 Jan 2011
The Raven's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: liberty, Maine
Posts: 154
1/7/11 update

I spent most of today pulling the major bits off the bike. This was something I've been avoiding as my balancing act lift depends on equal weight front and back.

The monolever came out very easily, and found my brake rod beginning to crack at the mount. No biggy, needed to be replaced anyways. In any case, that system is a whole other chapter dealt with at a later point.


To deal with the balance issue I tied a rope to my roof rafter to keep it supported while I pulled the forks, and a box under the front wheel after I pulled the monolever.
This was not a fun part


After I pulled my forks I got thinking:
-Can I use the races with the bearings on the r100GS forks if they are serviceable? I don't see why not, and this will prevent the headache of pulling them.

- Do you think it's possible to use the 32mm light brackets with the 40mm fork tubes if I just dremmel out the difference? at $22 bucks a piece it seems like a good idea.



From here I pulled the trans. It's so easy with with monolever removed!!!
It came right out and the entire trans facing was covered with oil. AND the splines were nice and red....WITH RUST




The stuff last used will be tossed, I'm going to get some Honda Moly60 for reassembly.

The bike saw about 8000 miles over this season and I don't see why it was this dry. Lesson learned

Took some better photos of the trans flange damage too. I will probably fix that with some putty/jbweld and call it good. I'll also replace the trans seal, just in case that's whats leaking. I'm also going to be pulling the flywheel and double checking the RMS and oil cover. I did not torque the bolts right on reassembly with the oil cover. This may be an issue as well.



Speaking of the RMS. I actually have the tools to do it right this time
Too bad I still need a damn rotor puller.


So I have an engine and frame left.
__________________
I'm Raven, a forever banished exile from ADV,

Check out our blog at
www.nomapnomads.com
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 8 Jan 2011
The Raven's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: liberty, Maine
Posts: 154
1/8/11 update:
Didn't do much but read other posts and clean the trans up.
I used heavy duty degreaser called GoofOff that nearly took out an eyeball in NM when used last. However this time safety glasses were worn.

Following the the degreasing, Q-tips and picks were used. Then a brass brush and a stainless steel scrub pad. Finally followed bay a sweep of Goofoff and a scrubbing of the metal cleaner/protectant. The results speak for themselves

Metal before:



Metal After:





I do need to further work on this though, as well as the corners of the prior edge photo
__________________
I'm Raven, a forever banished exile from ADV,

Check out our blog at
www.nomapnomads.com
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 9 Jan 2011
The Raven's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: liberty, Maine
Posts: 154
1/9/11

Went down to the shed this afternoon and continued working on the filthy transmission. I was using goofoff but in such a small space with the heater chances of fume issues and possible fire are fairly high so decided to find a good citrus cleaner and degreaser. I think I got some all natural concentrated stuff and some purple magic citrus degreaser. Both actually work BETTER than goof off and smell great.

So managed to get the trans pretty well clean. I'm going to hit the edges with a dremmil buffer tomorrow.



I also got around to fixing that flange.





I used new JB weld


Not the stuff that exploded in the tool kit


I do need to dremmel it into shape tomorrow after it cures.


__________________
I'm Raven, a forever banished exile from ADV,

Check out our blog at
www.nomapnomads.com
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 10 Jan 2011
The Raven's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: liberty, Maine
Posts: 154
1/10/11

Today was a fun one. I got to go and string up my bike to the rafters to get the engine out of the frame. It kind of felt odd though seeing it done that way. Just hanging there. That is one heavy engine.



Finished up cleaning up the transmission. The JB is not set yet due to the temps. Put it is the consistency of play-dough which allow me to mold it in quite nicely. Purchased a couple dremmil bits to clean it up proper when it's cured. I also confirmed the trans input seal is leaking....


Ended up getting a flush of package notices in the mail today. Turing them in resulted in a nice yellow set of forks, beautiful fender, spectacular corbin seat and a brake caliper.




When I pulled the engine out and started cleaning, the first thing I did was pull the clutch. Have you ever seen a clutch disk so glossy? Apparently I read these OE clutches were subject to premature failure too?



I found this wear interesting though...ideas?


The next thing done was to pull the starter......hmmmm a Bosch. I was hoping for a Valero. I noticed the teeth were a bit chewed too.



There is one saving grace however....the RMS is in good shape and not leaking so it must be the oil pump cover. Here is a shot of below the RMS


So next I dove into the engine and started cleaning away 30 years of gunk. I found the mysterious number, and after cleaning, touched it up. I may add my own mark as well for the next guy to do this.




So rehung the frame to work with it easier and currently letting it soak with orange cleaner


The engine will be fun...
__________________
I'm Raven, a forever banished exile from ADV,

Check out our blog at
www.nomapnomads.com
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 11 Jan 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stockholm - Sweden
Posts: 316
The streeringhead races have to be pulled.
It is not that tricky.

Special tools, made in USA. Non expensive and of high quallity.
Ask Snowbum:
[url=http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/techindex.htm]Robert Fleischer, BMW Motorcycle Maintenance &
__________________
Drive Safely,
Albert
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 11 Jan 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stockholm - Sweden
Posts: 316
I did write a comprehensive reply...
Where the... is my text?!
This is getting annoying!

Weld a piece of metal across the races, one at a time. Knock/tapp it out.
The heat from the two spotwelds will expand and then shrink the race.

Should you want a puller anyway:
Forks, Shocks, Swingarm & Frame : CycleWorks.net LLC, The original source for tools and parts for your antique, vintage, and classic BMW motorcycle or Isetta car

Use Omega 77 grease:
http://www.magnagroup.com/products/o...ure/odis77.pdf
Magna Industrial Co. Limited
My supplier:
www.smorjteknik.se
__________________
Drive Safely,
Albert
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 11 Jan 2011
Redboots's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: On the border - NE FR
Posts: 841
Don't be disappointed its not a Valeo! Be happy.
The magnets don't fall off the Bosch units.
They just turn a little slower.

Cheers,
John
__________________
Nostradamus Ate My Hamster
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 11 Jan 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stockholm - Sweden
Posts: 316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redboots View Post
Don't be disappointed its not a Valeo! Be happy.
The magnets don't fall off the Bosch units.
They just turn a little slower.
Cheers,
John
Seems as if I am just about the only one who prefers the Valeo over the Bosch starter-motor...

There is one major -fault- with the Valoe. It is a factory fault. They have -forgotten- to fill the "gearbox/planetary" with grease!
Omega 85 "shear sensation" is my primary option, and Omega 77 is my secondary option.

So if you begin with open the Valoe, and proceed with filling the gearing with top of the line grease - it will last. I have used mine for over 160 000km, short stops/rides.
All I have needed to do is to renew the brushes twice.


Current needed to activate startermotors:
Bosch 320A
Valeo 15A
A rough estimate at -10'C is that a 28Ah fully charged battery will allow for 4 attempts of less than one second to start using the Bosch startermotor... at -20'C it is about 2 attempts...

However, there are frequent report of broken Valoes, the magnes brake loose... this is a problem that does not happen with the Bosch startermotor.

Since weight is an issue in this overhaul/renovation, one should also look at the difference in pounds between theses startermotors.
The Valeo is far lighter than the Bosch, about 1/2-1/3 if I remember correctly.
__________________
Drive Safely,
Albert
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mitsubishi Canter/FG 140 4x4 buildup Douglas Hackney 4WD Overland Tech 15 26 Jul 2007 01:14
R80G/S Disc Bradd BMW Tech 1 25 Oct 2005 01:07
Buying a R80G/S Bradd BMW Tech 5 1 Jun 2005 16:22
R80G/S speedo ?? Cameron BMW Tech 6 29 Jun 2004 05:58
R80G/S tyres bryan Sahara Travel Forum 5 23 Jan 2002 13:07

 
 
 

NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!


HU DVD Autumn Special!

Take 40% off Road Heroes Part 1 until October 31 only!

Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries two-up on a Harley); Dr. Greg Frazier (5 times RTW); Tiffany Coates (RTW solo female); and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).

The first in an exciting new series, Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers."Inspiring and hilarious!"

"I loved watching this DVD!"

"Lots of amazing stories and even more amazing photographs, it's great fun and very inspirational."

"Wonderful entertainment!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'HEROES' on your order when you checkout.


Renedian Adventures


Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 18:08.