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Singaporedream 26 Aug 2009 00:48

Aust. bike import w/o carnet? false info?!
 
Hi all,

i read the adventure motorcycling handbook and the author wrote something about importing the bike into australia with a carnet else pay a 24% deposit or something and get for a VIA, (vehicle import approval), before shipping over to australia.

i went to this website:

Importing Vehicles to Australia

then i email them at

Imports.Vehicle@infrastructure.gov.au

Dear Sir/Mdm,

I am a citizen of Singapore and would like to import my motorbike to australia for travel purpose of 3 months. I would be arriving at sydney on 26 November 2009 and will leave from Darwin to East Timor with the bike 3 months later.


I had obtained a tourist visa.


I would like to obtain a vehicle approval (VIA) form from you as stated by the website importing a motor vehicle


Thank you for helping in our travel in Australia.


Goh Mia Chun



then 2 person at the same time replied

a)
Hello,

In regards to your email, unfortunately there's nothing you come under for Import Approval, this is only for 3 months & your on a Tourist Visa as well, i would see if you cna get a Carnet Depassage for the Automobile Association of your side form Singapore, if successfull will aloow you to stay upto 12 months.

Please see attached the link to the Depts Website for further information,


Regards,
Wayne

b)

Hi Goh,

You are unable to import the vehicle with a VIA as a temporary resident. You will need to apply for a Carnet De Passage through your Automotive Association.

Regards,
Tim C

then again, i check from the Automobile association of australia webpage about importing without a carnet:
http://www.aaa.asn.au/touring/bringing.htm#withoutcarnet

i had used the carnet a year ago and it had already expired sometime ago where i had sent it back home and got my deposit back. currently i am in USA and had bought the air tickets LA to sydney in 26 november 2009.


is there something that i can do? the automobile association of singapore can't let someone apply the carnet on my behalf without me and the bike being at singapore first. to go thro the process of banker's garentee is a pain again also.

is there someway i can get the bike in with a tourist visa and without a carnet?

please advise.



Grant Johnson 26 Aug 2009 02:32

Sorry, not that I know of. :frown:

See this info here on HU under Planning / Paperwork on the left menu:

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tri...ustraliaImport

clintnz 26 Aug 2009 04:24

When we visited Oz earlier in the year the only way to get the motos in was a carnet.

There is a lot of wrong information around on this because up until last year you could get an easier & cheaper temporary import permit to get a vehicle into Oz. They then changed the rules & do not issue these any more. A carnet is the only way.

Good luck, sorry I can't be more help. You could just come to New Zealand instead, :thumbup1: we do have a temporary import permit system so you don't need a carnet :welcome:

Cheers
Clint

Singaporedream 26 Aug 2009 04:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintnz (Post 254687)
When we visited Oz earlier in the year the only way to get the motos in was a carnet.

There is a lot of wrong information around on this because up until last year you could get an easier & cheaper temporary import permit to get a vehicle into Oz. They then changed the rules & do not issue these any more. A carnet is the only way.

Good luck, sorry I can't be more help. You could just come to New Zealand instead, :thumbup1: we do have a temporary import permit system so you don't need a carnet :welcome:

Cheers
Clint

hi clint, that is really headache! what about the air ticket? we bought the ticket during feb this year and it cost us US$1300 for the 2 of us to fly to sydney from LA. then just last week, we went to the airport and changed the flight date to late november. hell mann, it cost us another US$800 just for the admin fee. hmm, kind of my own problem reading too much automobile website and adventure moto book. blame it on myself on all these unlucky things happening these few months.

what about getting another type of visa (maybe working visa?) to import the bike?

Hi Grant, i will click on the link and see, hopefully it is not out-dated.

by the way, the just replied:

Hi Goh,

As i stated before the only way to import the vehicle is via a Carnet unless the vehicle was manufactured before 1989 or has an Australian Compliance Plate fitted.

Regards,
Tim C

clintnz 26 Aug 2009 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singaporedream (Post 254688)

what about getting another type of visa (maybe working visa?) to import the bike?

I don't think it's all your fault, if you have been travelling for more than a year it is highly likely that when you did the research for your trip a carnet was not required for Oz.

I started researching customs requirements late last year for the trip to Oz we did early this year, & then even the Oz customs website still had a page saying you could get a vehicle in on either a carnet or a temp permit. It was only when I phoned them up to enquire about how to get the right form to apply for one of these temp permits that they told me their own website was wrong & we needed carnets! :rolleyes2:

We NZ'ers don't need visas of any kind for Oz so I can't help there. But I think that apart from the carnet, or pre 89 exemptions, all vehicles imported to Oz must be ADR (Australian design rule) compliant - this is the compliance plate they are talking about, I don't think it is easy to get.

On the bright side, Sydney is on the way to NZ anyway, it won't cost you much more to continue on to Auckland :cool4:

Cheers
Clint

RogerM 27 Aug 2009 09:35

The law was amended late last year and came into effect (I think May 2009) requiring carnets for tourist's vehicles - the carnet exempts vehicles from having to get Australian Design Rule compliance, whereas the vehicle import approval scheme required ADR compliance. Its now a legislated requirement and there are no exemptions allowed.

I might add that the same legislation now requires Australian owned vehicles going out of Australia to get a carnet before Customs will allow it back into Australia. They have gone mad in Canberra!!

Kiwi-videos 27 Aug 2009 11:41

Aussie not working out
 
Hello
Those months you were looking at in Aussie are nearly right in the middle of thier summer. Stinking dry heat over some really big big kilometres, the more humid regions might feel like home for you but traveling in the North of Australia during summer isn,t something I,d think most Aussie,s would plan themselves.
You,d be thinking water all the time.vital stuff.

Unfortunely not everyone can thier RTW based around seasons.

There are some buget airlines to New Zealand from Sydney like Virgin Blue and Jet Star that do flights fairly cheaply and it,s a good time of the year to ride in New Zealand.
If you can,t go to Aus and just want to do more riding still. Compensate there maybe?
Singapore isn,t far from Australia for another time.

Singaporedream 31 Aug 2009 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singaporedream (Post 254674)
Hi all,

i read the adventure motorcycling handbook and the author wrote something about importing the bike into australia with a carnet else pay a 24% deposit or something and get for a VIA, (vehicle import approval), before shipping over to australia.

i went to this website:

Importing Vehicles to Australia

then i email them at

Imports.Vehicle@infrastructure.gov.au

Dear Sir/Mdm,

I am a citizen of Singapore and would like to import my motorbike to australia for travel purpose of 3 months. I would be arriving at sydney on 26 November 2009 and will leave from Darwin to East Timor with the bike 3 months later.


I had obtained a tourist visa.


I would like to obtain a vehicle approval (VIA) form from you as stated by the website importing a motor vehicle


Thank you for helping in our travel in Australia.


Goh Mia Chun



then 2 person at the same time replied


a)
Hello,



In regards to your email, unfortunately there's nothing you come under for Import Approval, this is only for 3 months & your on a Tourist Visa as well, i would see if you cna get a Carnet Depassage for the Automobile Association of your side form Singapore, if successfull will aloow you to stay upto 12 months.



Please see attached the link to the Depts Website for further information,






Regards,


Wayne


b)
Hi Goh,

You are unable to import the vehicle with a VIA as a temporary resident. You will need to apply for a Carnet De Passage through your Automotive Association.

Regards,
Tim C
then again, i check from the Automobile association of australia webpage about importing without a carnet:
http://www.aaa.asn.au/touring/bringing.htm#withoutcarnet

i had used the carnet a year ago and it had already expired sometime ago where i had sent it back home and got my deposit back. currently i am in USA and had bought the air tickets LA to sydney in 26 november 2009.

is there something that i can do? the automobile association of singapore can't let someone apply the carnet on my behalf without me and the bike being at singapore first. to go thro the process of banker's garentee is a pain again also.

is there someway i can get the bike in with a tourist visa and without a carnet?


please advise.

hi folks!

to the above email, i reply them with:

thanks tim, it would be easy for me to get a carnet (which is a lie) at this time. so would you sent me a VIA form? VIA=vehicle import approval

guess what they replied?!

hi goh,

You do not need a VIA if you have a carnet.

so..............................what does that mean???????????

RogerM 31 Aug 2009 23:26

You do not need a VIA if you have a carnet.

so..............................what does that mean???????????


You can only bring a vehicle into Australia on a tourist visa with a carnet, the vehicle must leave when you leave or you forfeit the carnet.

The VIA scheme is now (basically) only available to private citizens who are on eligible visas (457 working visa or permanent residence visa and some diplomatic appointments), or are citizens or permanent residents of Australia who want to privately import a vehicle buit before 1989.

Do a weblookup on "VSB10" which is the explanatory book, read section 5.7 http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...f/VSB10_08.pdf

Singaporedream 2 Sep 2009 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerM (Post 255341)
You do not need a VIA if you have a carnet.

so..............................what does that mean???????????

You can only bring a vehicle into Australia on a tourist visa with a carnet, the vehicle must leave when you leave or you forfeit the carnet.

The VIA scheme is now (basically) only available to private citizens who are on eligible visas (457 working visa or permanent residence visa and some diplomatic appointments), or are citizens or permanent residents of Australia who want to privately import a vehicle buit before 1989.

Do a weblookup on "VSB10" which is the explanatory book, read section 5.7 http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...f/VSB10_08.pdf

thanks buddie for the info. now on the road n have not much time on the internet.

so i 'die die' must have a carnet. do u think i can do it with other country other than singapore where my bike is registered in singapore?

what about from UK, RAC?

goh

Dingo 3 Sep 2009 03:54

Carnet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Singaporedream (Post 254674)
Hi all,

i read the adventure motorcycling handbook and the author wrote something about importing the bike into australia with a carnet else pay a 24% deposit or something and get for a VIA, (vehicle import approval), before shipping over to australia.
EASY ! Get a Carnet just like us aussies have to do for doing the same into Singapore See! No trouble at all mate.
cheers
Dingo
i went to this website:

Importing Vehicles to Australia

then i email them at

Imports.Vehicle@infrastructure.gov.au

Dear Sir/Mdm,

I am a citizen of Singapore and would like to import my motorbike to australia for travel purpose of 3 months. I would be arriving at sydney on 26 November 2009 and will leave from Darwin to East Timor with the bike 3 months later.


I had obtained a tourist visa.


I would like to obtain a vehicle approval (VIA) form from you as stated by the website importing a motor vehicle


Thank you for helping in our travel in Australia.


Goh Mia Chun



then 2 person at the same time replied

a)
Hello,

In regards to your email, unfortunately there's nothing you come under for Import Approval, this is only for 3 months & your on a Tourist Visa as well, i would see if you cna get a Carnet Depassage for the Automobile Association of your side form Singapore, if successfull will aloow you to stay upto 12 months.

Please see attached the link to the Depts Website for further information,


Regards,
Wayne

b)

Hi Goh,

You are unable to import the vehicle with a VIA as a temporary resident. You will need to apply for a Carnet De Passage through your Automotive Association.

Regards,
Tim C

then again, i check from the Automobile association of australia webpage about importing without a carnet:
http://www.aaa.asn.au/touring/bringing.htm#withoutcarnet

i had used the carnet a year ago and it had already expired sometime ago where i had sent it back home and got my deposit back. currently i am in USA and had bought the air tickets LA to sydney in 26 november 2009.


is there something that i can do? the automobile association of singapore can't let someone apply the carnet on my behalf without me and the bike being at singapore first. to go thro the process of banker's garentee is a pain again also.

is there someway i can get the bike in with a tourist visa and without a carnet?

please advise.



EASY ! Get a Carnet just like us aussies have to do for doing the same into Singapore See! No trouble at all mate.
cheers
Dingo

jc 3 Sep 2009 14:38

Goh

It does not look good mate. Take the advise from the other guys here and rather go and tour in New Zealand. New Zealand is awsome for biking and you can easily spend two to three months there. We plan to go over there next year.
You can always come back to tour Australia another time.
I know its a lot of money for extra flight tickets, but that is the way it is.

Kep in mind that this is not Bolivia or Colombia or one of those countries where you can get around the normalities and officials. If there is one country where you will have to work by the book, its this one.

Johan

PS: I'm expecting my bike next week, so hope all goes smooth for me.

beddhist 3 Sep 2009 15:23

The MAA told me that they issue carnets to foreigners and I read here on HUBB that the Swiss Touring club also does it. Are you saying you have to go in person with your bike to your AA just to get a carnet?

Forget about bank guarantee, just put up the deposit, you will get it back in full.

Cheers,
Peter.

Singaporedream 7 Sep 2009 07:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by beddhist (Post 255700)
The MAA told me that they issue carnets to foreigners and I read here on HUBB that the Swiss Touring club also does it. Are you saying you have to go in person with your bike to your AA just to get a carnet?

Forget about bank guarantee, just put up the deposit, you will get it back in full.

Cheers,
Peter.

hi Beddhist,

MAA is from Malaysia? the trouble is to get the banker's guarantee. the bank in singapore is idiot! im willing to place the deposit with the AA singapore but they strictly wants me to go thro a 3rd party, thats the bank!

One of the requirement of carnet is that it would be issued from the country where the vehicle is being registered. do you think RAC, UK can do that? im trying hard now to get paul of RAC to get a reply.

have paid for the US$2000 tickets to sydney and australia is on my way back to home...

farqhuar 8 Sep 2009 03:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singaporedream (Post 256078)
One of the requirement of carnet is that it would be issued from the country where the vehicle is being registered.

That is not true SD, I rode from Australia to the UK and after one year my carnet expired. My bike still had Australian registration but the AA in the UK were able to issue a carnet for my Australian registered bike so I could continue my journey into Africa.
I think contacting the RAC or AA is your best bet.


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