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Old 20 Jul 2009
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Info for uk based ex military vehicles

This post below came up on the 101 club website.

as its from the military vehicles trust it is in reference to older vehicles that were used this summer in normandy but the implication within all of this seems to be that if you have an ex mil vehicle then you need an export license to take it out of the uk, it seems mad i know but the mvt are taking it seriously - see text below:
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To MVT members who took, or intend to take, their ex military vehicles out of the UK (after 27th May 2009).

Earlier this year the Department of Business and Regulatory Reform (BERR) (since renamed the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS)) was made aware of the "export" of military vehicles without licences – i.e. private owners taking their ex-military vehicles abroad for a period before returning home, "export" under the law.

Noting the forthcoming 65th Anniversary D-Day celebrations and the volume of vehicles expected to attend, BERR introduced an Open General Export Licence (OGEL) for historic military vehicles (those over fifty years old) providing the trip does not exceed three months and is within the European Union. In addition, a temporary exemption permitting this OGEL to be applied for up to 2 months in arrears was also introduced. This OGEL and the exemption were introduced on 27th May 2009. This export licence requires an online registration (see below for details). Once an OGEL is registered it covers all subsequent trips by the applicant with any vehicle that falls within the licence but a record of all trips made under the licence must be maintained (category of export (ML6), OGEL used (Historic Military Vehicle), date out, date back, destination). This record must be kept available for future inspection.

As you can see, the OGEL was not introduced until many of you were already on tour and the MVT has since been involved in clarifying the situation with BIS.

Those of you who went on the trip are advised by the MVT to familiarise yourself with the requirements for an export licence and to register for an OGEL before the two months is up from the commencement of your trip (27 July for the earliest departures). The penalties for failure to comply with the law are potentially severe (impounding the vehicle, up to 10 years in jail) and the MVT therefore advises you to comply with the law.

The text below explains the situation as seen by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS):

"Certain items may not be exported from the UK (even temporarily) without a valid export licence. The UK's Export Control Organisation (ECO - part of the Department for Business) is responsible for licensing items that are or could be used for military purposes. This includes historic military vehicles.

"If you are a military vehicle owner, and wish to take your vehicle to another EU Member State for up to 3 months, you may be able to use what is known as an Open General Export Licence (OGEL). In order to do so you must register for the Historic Military Vehicles OGEL via SPIRE (ECO's licence application database) - https://www.spire.berr.gov.uk

"Licences are subject to specific terms and conditions, which you must read carefully, understand and fully adhere to.

"If you cannot fulfil all the conditions set out in the licence, or wish to export your vehicle to a non-EU country, or to export it permanently, you will need a different licence and should contact ECO for more advice. More information about the work of the ECO is available at: BERR Redirect "

Those on the MVT tour and those registered for the Charter will be informed, but please advise anyone else you know who went to Normandy of these new requirements.

Any queries re the export licences are best directed to the ECO Help Desk, telephone: 020 7215 4594.

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The Military Vehicle Trust_____________________________________________ _____________

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So does this mean that anyone who goes overlanding outside the EU in an ex-Army Landrover / Daf 4x4 truck is committing an offence?
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without a valid export license it seems so

even a booze run to france could be illegal

i suggest people give thm a ring if it affects and post up any comments

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Sounds like a prime example of a quango that should be quashed. What a waste of public money having fools making up rules and regulations for ancient vehicles.

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An ambulance would be caught - special bodywork

Wolf/101 - military spec only

110/90 etc - The wiring is military spec, infra red etc + winterised specs, so like you say a rewire would be needed to gain exemption

I think the 50 year rule is for the exemption (apply once) , for newer vehicles its not clear what is required

its probabily worth the phonecall

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