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uk_vette 31 Oct 2007 01:15

2002 Landcruiser, too new?
 
Would any one please indicate if they thought a 2002 3 L d4d Landcruiser is too new to go on a UK to Cape Town overland trip.

It could be part of a threesome.

1 x Musso (Mecedes Benz gear) 2001
1 x Toyota Surf 3.0 liter 1997
1 x Toyota Landcruiser 3.0 liter 2002

Would all the vehicles require additional long range tanks?
Or would I just carry a few 20 liter metal ex army gerry cans?

My wife is Saffer, and we have our "holiday" home in Cape Town, and live here in Cheshire, UK.
We normally fly down, but have considered a road trip.

Then a month in CT with our friends, then just the Musso and the landcruiser would come back to UK.

How much fuel would I need to carry at any one time?

gilghana1 1 Nov 2007 06:51

Can I ask why you might think the newness could be a problem? I would be happier with your Prado than a Musso of any age!!! But joking apart I don't think the newness would be a hindrance at all.
Gil

Surfer 1 Nov 2007 10:12

Cruiser
 
Which route are u doing? east or west? There is plenty diesel around at the moment. I have just come back from eastern and southern africa and there was no problem at all for petrol and diesel. In fact it was cheaper than the last time i went.

if u do east route the longest stretch u will need is for the sahara crossing. But i believe u can still get diesel just about everywhere u stop. Albeit in 2 liter bottles.

Otherwise 2 jerry cans should suffice presuming u have 90 liter tank. Rule is .... fill up regardless of how much fuel u have left.

uk_vette 1 Nov 2007 15:25

Hello Surfer,
I was considering the east coast.
we had an idea to pass through Istanbul then either through Egypt, to pass the Sphinx and pyramids, or Saudi Arabia, and pass Medina and Mecca.
I hear there are very high Carat ? charges to pass through Egypt ?
I might be quite wrong though.
Either way, head towards Niarobi, Dar es Salam, and right down the east coast to beautiful Cape Town.

I am open and very flexible to all routes, and please make all the comments you like.

I welcome all replies.
Graham

mario travaini 2 Nov 2007 14:21

I'm with gilghana, in my opinion a car can never be too new. Electronics...? maintainance..? bollox, a new Prado just doesn't brake for the first 200.000km, it doesn't, period.
Had I had the money I'd not hesitate in buying a brand new Prado or Patrol. I would not even bother in a water tank, you can just buy mineral water all the way, and with a little garmin and tracks4africa you can just navigate to the nearest fuel tank (literally from ethiopia to cape town, the rest you can easily "survive" with 2 extras plastic jerrycans)
Things have changed a lot just in the last 5 years.

Surfer 2 Nov 2007 15:52

Carnet
 
Get a carnet, Egypt can be very expensive if u dont have one. Its so much easier. Just MAKE sure the name of the owner of the car is the same as the carnet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also make sure the chasis vin and any number is easy to access as they take a rubbing of it. Also have to get new plates made.

i agree with Mario that fuel is pretty much readily available. but always err on the safe side.

water is everywhere nowadays. just did 8000kms and we never filled our tanks once. bottled water and if u think u up to it tape water, i drank tan zam uganda bots kenya water and no problems.....yet!!!

uk_vette 2 Nov 2007 17:29

I must say a BIG thank you to all who took the time and effort to reply to my Q's.

Now my ignorance will really show through,
Do you buy a carnet before you leave UK, and is it good for all the African countries?

Or do I have to buy a separate carnet for the individual countries that I plan to pass through.

This may all seem so very simple to the seasoned traveller, and one day I also hope to pass on the information that was passed onto me.

Graham

Walkabout 2 Nov 2007 17:38

Hi,
Have a look in the area to the left of this page and you will find "planning".
In there you will see "paperwork".
It will answer all of the basics for you!

uk_vette 2 Nov 2007 22:11

Hi Dave,

thanks for the pointers,

I am not sure I fully understand the Carnet stuff.

Do I have the choice of getting an insurance policy which for a premium, allows me to take the vehicle from country to country, or can I leave a secure deposit in a bank, to be called upon if I do not return the vehicle to the UK.

There is a slight twist to the Carnet, I am resident citizen of South Africa and UK.

I had the consideration of selling the land Cruiser in CT when I had done my UK to CT overland trip.

My wife is South African, and I was thinking about putting the vehicle in her name, and her owning it for the required 12 months prior to entry in to SA.

She would not have to pay import duty or tax on it then, if she had it for the required 12M.

We own our house in CT, and could say that we fully intend to remain in SA.
Returning SA's can bring 1 vehicle back exempt of charges, (must pay on the second one though)

I have a full SA driving licence, and also own a Nissan pick-up in CT.
Graham

Surfer 5 Nov 2007 11:05

Carnet
 
Must come from country of the car. Get a carnet for all the countries u want to visit. Plus a few extra pages!!!

Also u dont have to give the bank the value of the vehicle. Is basically an iou.

If they wanted cash up front we would have had to put down 1million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just remember to have letter from bank stipulating u can take the car out of the country if its not paid for!!!!

Walkabout 5 Nov 2007 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by uk_vette (Post 157316)
Hi Dave,

thanks for the pointers,

I am not sure I fully understand the Carnet stuff.

Do I have the choice of getting an insurance policy which for a premium, allows me to take the vehicle from country to country, or can I leave a secure deposit in a bank, to be called upon if I do not return the vehicle to the UK.

There is a slight twist to the Carnet, I am resident citizen of South Africa and UK.

I had the consideration of selling the land Cruiser in CT when I had done my UK to CT overland trip.

My wife is South African, and I was thinking about putting the vehicle in her name, and her owning it for the required 12 months prior to entry in to SA.

She would not have to pay import duty or tax on it then, if she had it for the required 12M.

We own our house in CT, and could say that we fully intend to remain in SA.
Returning SA's can bring 1 vehicle back exempt of charges, (must pay on the second one though)

I have a full SA driving licence, and also own a Nissan pick-up in CT.
Graham


I guess it is every individual case that proves the rules!
I would say that you should contact one or two of those who provide carnets (the most helpful are flagged up in other threads on this subject) and listen to their advice about your particular circumstances.

Permanently leaving the vehicle somewhere/anywhere is supposed to forfeit the carnet.

Bundubasher 20 Nov 2007 20:55

We actually ended up buying our Carnet in Kenya as after importing our car into Zimbabwe, via South Africa, this is where we got stuck (we had always been allowed to use Temporary Import Permits (TIPs) elsewhere but the Kenyan authorities were sticklers: no carnet, no entry. So we left the car at the Namanga Border Post and traveled up to Nairobi where we bought an AA insurance guarantee: 3% of 750,000 Ksh (Car valued at 500,000 Ksh, Carnet worked out 150% of the cars value, total = 22,500), plus stamp duty: total 26,850 Ksh. Formalities normaly take 3 days but my wife did it in 1 and a half! Then we took the guarantee to the AA and they issued a 25 page Carnet for 30,000 Ksh (AA members).

Your vehicle can stay in a country as long as the Carnet is valid: our vehicle was on a carnet for 3 years in Kenya.

If you can satisfy SARS then I am sure you can then register your vehicle in SA and then resell it.

Surfer 21 Nov 2007 10:53

Namanga
 
We just drove through that border without Carnet. In fact we just said we were demo-ing vehicles. the only place that gave us stick was Botswana border. we just got TIP and then they were happy.

Suppose i depends on who the day how hot it is...etc

uk_vette 21 Nov 2007 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundubasher (Post 160116)
We actually ended up buying our Carnet in Kenya as after importing our car into Zimbabwe, via South Africa, this is where we got stuck (we had always been allowed to use Temporary Import Permits (TIPs) elsewhere but the Kenyan authorities were sticklers: no carnet, no entry. So we left the car at the Namanga Border Post and traveled up to Nairobi where we bought an AA insurance guarantee: 3% of 750,000 Ksh (Car valued at 500,000 Ksh, Carnet worked out 150% of the cars value, total = 22,500), plus stamp duty: total 26,850 Ksh. Formalities normaly take 3 days but my wife did it in 1 and a half! Then we took the guarantee to the AA and they issued a 25 page Carnet for 30,000 Ksh (AA members).

Your vehicle can stay in a country as long as the Carnet is valid: our vehicle was on a carnet for 3 years in Kenya.

If you can satisfy SARS then I am sure you can then register your vehicle in SA and then resell it.

,
,
Hi Bundubasher,
SARS can be a pain in the butt, they are very inept at loosing things.
Actually they are quite pathetic in the opinion of my 2 nephews.
Ask my 2 nephews who were in UK living with us for 2 years, and both took back an MR2 each.

I know the procedure, and it should all go like clockwork, except that it don't.
I would request a letter of importation, from SARS, pay the duty, etc, while I am in the UK, then drive to CT.

Do you think I would still need a carnet to pass through all the other African countries, or perhaps I am better phoning the AA, it could be complicated.
G.

Bundubasher 21 Nov 2007 17:41

Anyone who departs from the UK with a UK registered vehicle gets a carnet as it makes life so much easier for countries such as Senegal. Check some other travellers blogs for details.


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