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should I buy a regular 4x4 or a truck!

Hi all,
really interested in getting kitted out for Morocco, I can see it from my house in Spain! I have experience in camper vans etc, but require some assistance in the following;
I am married with three children all very small and wondered what your thoughts were on vehicle suitability. I am on a tight budget so bear that in mind. I´m not looking to spend months at a time traversing Africa however, sustained stays in one place will be required. My question is as follows, should I not bother in purchasing a LR / LC set up with all the upgrades necessary to make it expedition worthy and just go and purchase a second hand military truck like the RENAULT TRM4000 which are about the same price as an entry level / tatty 4x4 in need of preperation. I realise that these may consume more diesel etc, however, they´re are already geared for expedition usage and I can procure a box to fit on the back relatively cheaply and do a diy interior. Some ideas please, does anyone have any experience with trucks here. Any families present too!

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Hi Richard
A truck has lots of + and – points and it would take a very big list for them all,

Simply.
Up side
A truck is bigger and can carry more stuff, water, fule and people. it can go some places that a LR/LC just wont because of ground clearance etc, and in most of Africa you will see the locals happily using them dispute some peoples attitude towards them, as long as you don’t want to do anything silly?

Down side.
A truck can get stuck easier on some surfaces and when they get stuck its not fun, 5-8 tonns don’t move easy, second if its an old army lorry some of the mechanics are specific to military units only and can be a bit odd and have hard to find parts.

Last bit, have just spent a whole year converting an old Bedford “its only going to take me a couple of months” if I knew then what I know now

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Hi Richard,

My ultimate aim is to do a trans Africa trip with the family (0.8, 4,5) in about 3 years after a couple of trial runs into Libya and Morocco.

I'm aiming for an 80 series Landcruiser [I'm biased - see sig ;-)] and will take a custom built trailer when with the family.

My main concern would be the children getting bored of all the driving, which I suspect would be worse if rattling around in an old LR or lorry, although with the lorry you might have the space to let the children loose in the back whilst driving.

My plan for the trailer is to build it as a mobile kitchen with a tent on it for my wife and I and then another on the 80s roof for the children.

On the budget side of things, what ever you do will end up costing more than you planned ;-), but also bear in mind that there are LRs/LCs/Trucks surviving in the harshest of conditions around the world in stock form - you don't really need all the fancy kit that we all want.

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You may already know them but have a look at Wolf trailers from SA. Exactly as you desire... but at a price. There's a post about them just below this string..

Trailers are great but limiting in sand/dunes, narrow mountain passes etc.

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You may already know them but have a look at Wolf trailers from SA. Exactly as you desire... but at a price. There's a post about them just below this string..
I'm actually aiming to make my own so that I can design it from scratch to tie in with the storage on the LC, as well as with matching hubs/wheels, etc.

In the US they have a good sized military trailer (can't remember the name), similar to the UK Shankey trailers, but bigger, and I have seen a lot of good info on customised ones of those.

Incidentally up around Worcester, there is a company selling Shankey trailers for around £150, perfect as a base trailer for others wanting to do it themselves.

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I'm not so fussed about that on the basis that it would be used for a touring style trip, not a driving orientated one, so the object would be to avoid the problems/risks in the first place.



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Richard, you must be in Tarifa or Gibraltar? (or Algeceras?) i've got an apartment in Tarifa... i often look over the water and think "i must bring my 110 down here and go exploring!", although there looks to be plenty of routes in the mountains north of Tarifa/Gibraltar!

on the trailer side, I use an ex military 3/4 Sankey, it's great, uses land rover wheels, same track width as a rover, and plenty of ground clearance. ideal for off roading with. if you do buy one, try and get a "widetrack" type, which have the wheel track of a 90/110, not a series 3, and also they have a tailgate fitted as standard which makes loading much easier.

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The great advantage with a truck or any vehicle that you sleep in is that its quick to get moving in the morning and when you pull in tired then its quick to get the kettle on for a brew or to get to bed

I've done my share of fighting with a clammy rooftent at 6:00am to get it to lie down, when its cold in the desert, a friend did one trip to Libya with a rooftent and bought a camper interior for her 110 for the next trip - she's now moved to a landrover 127 for more space

The point about spares for old army trucks is valid although if there is a civi version parts can often be made to fit

The other advantage of a truck is that its easier to bed down in cities and ports than a rooftent which stands out just a bit if put up in a city street

Don't like the idea of trailers, my brain equates them with anchors I think , also for a UK point of view bungs alot on ferry fares too but they are popular is SA and work there cos I think they are used as base camps and then the touring is done with just the 4x4

I have a friend who is currently converting an old dodge bus for touring in south america as he has 2 young children, another converting a dodge s75 4x4 cos it cost less to buy than refurbishing his old landrover

Just remember that whatever you decide it will take both more money and time than you have allowed :-)



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I´m based in Los Barrios, about six kms from Algeciras on the Jerez road. I used to live in Tarifa a couple of years back but couldn´t stand the wind and building work that was going on around where we lived etc. I too can see Morocco from my house.

On the truck front, from what I can gather the Renault TRM4000 is basically the military version of a civi truck but with a different cab on. It apparently sports an MAN engine found in many civi trucks so parts will be plentiful. These can be picked up for about 5000 euros in France.

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If you go the truck route and still want a trailer then the British army have one designed for the bedford truck, available through some disposal agents. That sounds a bit like space overkill though!!

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"I´m based in Los Barrios, about six kms from Algeciras on the Jerez road. I used to live in Tarifa a couple of years back but couldn´t stand the wind and building work that was going on around where we lived etc. I too can see Morocco from my house."

yeah, I know what you mean about the wind. I heard the other week that apparently Tarifa has the ighest suicide rate in Spain due to folk getting miffed about the wind!
Building is still going on there, although not /too/ bad. i'll be back in September... are you around then? want to meet for a Cerveza? shout if you do or if you want me to find any info on trailers and bring it over.

"If you go the truck route and still want a trailer then the British army have one designed for the bedford truck, available through some disposal agents."

that will be the 1 3/4 ton trailer.

a bit like this: http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=446&Overide=1

or this: http://www.witham-sv.com/Lot-picture/lot106.jpg

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sort of, it's the ones in the background (green) I don't know what the one in the piccie is, never seen one like that but as it runs on 7.50x16s I think it must be for a landy, not the usual 3/4 ton trailer though.
Having just spent three hours sweating my bits off with my dad trying to get the rear spring back on my 101 I don't know how you truck boys do it. you must be bigger than arnie!!

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Having just spent three hours sweating my bits off with my dad trying to get the rear spring back on my 101 I don't know how you truck boys do it. you must be bigger than arnie!!
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Andy,
You don't have to be bigger than arnie, only as clever !! :-)

Jack up axle, remove wheels, undo bottom shock mounts, raise chassis using high lift & support on stands, drop axle, watch springs pop out!


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Front Axle off, change front springs, all back on = 4 hours
Equipment = socket set, axle stand, blocks of wood.
Bedford MJ,
its all about mechanical advantage.

and Rich, 6 tyres changed = 1 day



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If only it were that easy!! 'watch springs pop out' nah! resolutely refused to pop out!did it that way. by the book on one side, took 3 hours, my own way the other side, 30minutes! getting them back on was the really hard bit!!
I asked a REME guy the easiest way to get them off. his methods included big hammers (bigger the better, it's a complicated job after all) or a bottle jack to press them out, then a welding set to put your chassis back together! I ended up using high lift, bottle jacks, sledge hammer, lump hammer and 6 foot crow bar (thats what I call mechanical advantage!). oh, a socket set was in there somewhere as well.

I think mechanical advantage may mean more knowledge and ability than I have!!
hopefully will be easier next time, if I'm stupid enough to do it again. just the fronts to do now!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR><font face="" size="2">Originally posted by moggy 1968:

Having just spent three hours sweating my bits off with my dad trying to get the rear spring back on my 101 I don't know how you truck boys do it. you must be bigger than arnie!!
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Jack up axle, remove wheels, undo bottom shock mounts, raise chassis using high lift & support on stands, drop axle, watch springs pop out!


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Just checked out you website Roman
good site but couldn't pick up the links to the overlanding pages, any hints?

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