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Richard K 16 May 2007 23:55

Hi Jim, sent you a pm

FreeCaRveR 28 May 2007 19:51

R380 can handle the torque of the TGV2.8

We did mount them in several Defenders/Disco's over here.
Even used in intensive desert driving

You will need to use the 130hd clutch to cope the torque though.

2.8 on an autobox is the ultimate.you will need a big (22/24) torque converter otherwise heat will be problem.the chaps from Devon4X4 are more than happy to quote on this.

roamingyak 28 May 2007 21:33

"You will need to use the 130hd clutch to cope the torque though"

I'm assuming that the 200tdi will be ok with a standard clutch?

diesel jim 29 May 2007 07:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by roamingyak.org (Post 137930)
"You will need to use the 130hd clutch to cope the torque though"

I'm assuming that the 200tdi will be ok with a standard clutch?


Darrin, the standard clutch will be fine with a 200Tdi, but if you've got the engine or gearbox out anyway, it won't hurt to change it over.

it's only the friction plate that is different, the cover plate/thrust bearing/flywheel are all the same as the "other" standard clutches.

130" HD plate is part # FTC 1994. looks more or less the same as the standard ones but is slightly bigger in diameter (about 5mm) and has some different spec springs in it.

roamingyak 20 Jul 2007 10:36

Update...
 
OK, The R380 is just about to go in, and I have managed to find a HD 130" clutch so have swapped that over as well.

I'd like to put in the oil cooler for the R380, but it doesn't look there is space in front of the radiator with a large intercooler there as well. So I may go for the 'euro/td5' version - do you think it is worth the hassle and costs? Hours of driving in sand would suggest so...

Also is there any chance of you kindly emailing me the pictures that were originally posted but missing now?

(Oh, and Ashcroft only had 4 new boxes so they aren't easy to find)

diesel jim 20 Jul 2007 15:34

I'd say that any cooling you can get on the gearbox will be a bonus.

either go for the euro "pipe" type cooler, or grab a disco/rangie autobox cooler, it looks like a long toilet brush! fits along the radiator crossmember and has considerably more surface area than the plain pipe type.

My 90 (soon to be a 110.... i;'ve bought the chassis already!) has the same problem.... allisport full width intercooler and using a TurboD full width radiator there is no room to for the cooler, although you have 3 choices here....

1) use the autobox cooler, the long one, as mentioned above.

2) get a front radiator panel off of an air condition equipped 90/110, these stick out about 1.5" or so (where the condensor fans normally sit) so you could fit an oil cooler in there)

3) depending on what radiator setup you've got.... on mine i currently have a turbo diesel radiator (which is full width compared to the Tdi rad which is 2/3 and the other 1/3 is intercooler) but i'm going to swap it back for a standard radiator, and in the space where the stock Tdi intercooler would normally live, i'm going to stick a military wolf gearbox cooler that i won on eBlag.
(My intercooler pipes go through the side of the headlight box)

part numbers and pics i'll send tonight Darrin when i get in from work... (or when i swim home.. :-)

moggy 1968 22 Jul 2007 23:08

when the 130 wolf ambulances went in to have aircon retro fitted they had to have extended radiator grilles fitted to make more space, I would presume these are a standard landy part if you can source it, just a guess but it would give you a lot more space.

diesel jim 23 Jul 2007 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by moggy 1968 (Post 144511)
when the 130 wolf ambulances went in to have aircon retro fitted they had to have extended radiator grilles fitted to make more space, I would presume these are a standard landy part if you can source it, just a guess but it would give you a lot more space.



You're right Moggy, these are a standard part, it's made of fiberglass instead of alumiunium like the normal 90/110 fronts.

you see loads of them at shows like Billing and old sodbury.

Darrin.... i picked up a complete ex military wolf oil cooler pipe(s) and cooler at billing, i can take some pics if you're interested? i'll be fitting the "new" oil cooler i've got to it, so if you want the old one (perfectly good, just looks, well, "old") you can have it.

pnoce 29 Sep 2007 03:35

Hi Jim I was just seaching in google about R380 oil cooling when I found your post, but I could not see the catalogue pictures you've posted, could you send it to me by email ?

Thanks

Paulo Noce
2000 90`defender 300tdi - Brazil

paulo_noce@yahoo.com.br

roamingyak 29 Sep 2007 10:01

I have emailed them to Paulo - perhaps our first Brazilian landy owner on the hubb? ;-)

After 10,000km with the new gearbox it is basically ok. Nothing great, but a bit better then the LT77. Reverse is in a much more natural position and gear changes are a bit slicker.

I bought it because of it's hopefully more reliable qualities, but the front oil seal started leaking after 1500km and has just been replaced under warranty (as has the entire transfer box which is an annoyingly humerous story) so lets hope thats it's the only problem for another half a million miles....

Ho hum...


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