Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > 4 wheels > 4WD Overland Tech

4WD Overland Tech GENERIC 4WD / 4 wheel TECH discussions and info that is valid for ALL brands. See brand specific forums.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Visit Matt Savage for VIAIR compressors, Air Lift Helper Springs, Tyre Levers, Chris Scott's Books & DVDs, KC Daylighters, Allisport Intercoolers, Overland Preparation and lots more!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 29 Mar 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Coimbra, Portugal
Posts: 302
sand ladders

hi

what is the best length for sand ladders? (not sand ladders but aluminum PSP).... to use in a LR 88?

and one question: are they reality necessary and justify the weight? Around 12 kgs plus the mounts....

going to mauritania...


------------------
best regards from Portugal
bernardo feio lightweight
__________________
bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R100 GS
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 29 Mar 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 473
Probably not really worth it although they look good for posing. Traveled with a Dutch landrover that had roll out plastic / rubber style ones - lot easier to use and store and seems as effective. The alluminum ones are good, mine are about 1.2 metres long, but they cumbersome to detach and attach on the side of the roof rack. Its probably useful having something if you are going in to the desert but think on a 4x4, the roll out ones are probably as effective.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 29 Mar 2004
NCR NCR is offline
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Lisboa, Portugal
Posts: 116
"and one question: are they reality necessary and justify the weight? Around 12 kgs plus the mounts...."

Last year, in Mauritânia, we found that a pull from another vehicle was much easier and faster...I end up abondoning my home made ladders before the trip ended.
They do look good in the pictures though ;-)

Regards,

NCR
__________________
Regards,

NCR
Lisboa, Portugal
http://ncr2006.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 30 Mar 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Coimbra, Portugal
Posts: 302
hi

they look nice.... but ading a few kgs just for the look is not my style!! (around 10 kgs if the plates are 1.1 m)

I'm asking this because a have a pair a Al plates... and if they are not used in desert what are their propose?

last year in Mauri I didn't take them and they were never missed.... the LW with the michelin XS never got stuck... but the sand was a bit wet


------------------
best regards from Portugal
bernardo feio lightweight
__________________
bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R100 GS
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 30 Mar 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 662
I've just bought a set (1,25m alluminium), I hope never to have to use them in anger, but their main purpose until I do is to cover my long glass windows in the rear of my truck. They are perfect for that and they also make a usefull emergency table/bench wether or not they turn out to be essentilial is yet to be seen.

------------------
Enzo
BUNDUBASHER.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 31 Mar 2004
Runner's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 302
If you are going into areas of soft sand they are extremely useful. If not, their use is debateable, though they are also good for mud. You can also use them resting on jerry cans for cooking surfaces or tables!

I have two sets - four 1 metre-long aluminium alloy ladders; quite short but nice and light, and a pair of military PSP 'pierced steel planks', which, from memory, are about a metre and a half (mine are in the UK, Im in Cairo at the mo). They are stronger than the ally ones but not strong enough to bridge with. They are also a lot heavier, but fine as far as sand ladders.

If money's no object, get some glassfibre or composite ones. A metre length is a bit too short, and four or six (6 can be overkill) is the ideal number;

1. You need them long enough to be under the wheel and at the same time also provide space for the car to move along them (hence longer than a metre)

2. Ideally in really bad conditions (eg saltmarsh) you need them under the wheel and also laid down on your intended path (hence more than 4 - this number can be split between two cars, obviously)

Your best idea is to avoid soft sand and bad going. But in some circumstances you may not be able to.

Hope that helps
__________________
'91 LR 110 Def/Disco hybrid "Elsa"
Bring me the horizon....
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 1 Apr 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Coimbra, Portugal
Posts: 302

hi

Since I’m going to pass mauri in august is better to take the plates... last year we didn’t catch much soft sand but we did catch lots of rain and lakes full of water...

I will put them in the top of the LW in front of the roof-tent. I will put them with a small angle and they will act has a wind deflector... If I don’t have to use them maybe, at least, I will save a few liters of diesel! :-)

The LW has 88’’ between axels so I will cut my 1.5 m plates in 1.1m or 1.2 m and will save a few kgs.

Thanks to all
and obrigado Nuno


------------------
best regards from Portugal
bernardo feio lightweight
__________________
bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R100 GS
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 7 Apr 2004
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bristol UK
Posts: 93
Hi Bernardo

We used our alu. sand ladders a lot in Mauri. but the pajero was 2.5 tons with a full load of fuel and water, so a light weight may be OK. They spent most of the trip under the roof rack, but I welded a couple of hooks on the bull bar, and hung them on there held down with a bungee, so to lay them when we got stuck was easy, and hang them back on for the next time!

Happy Trails

Bruce
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 16 Apr 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cairo, Egypt
Posts: 456
I think sand ladders are a must have safety item. Hopefully you’ll never use them but sometimes there are no alternatives. I‘ve personally been in a couple of situations where a vehicles got stuck in a large patch of soft sand and fesh-fesh and any whenever I came close enough to pull it out I got stuck too.

Even though I never used them since I installed a winch I still carry them as backup in case the winch, battery or alternator goes bad.

But get the alu or composite ones. Steel ones are too heavy.

------------------
A.B.

OasisPhoto.com – Images from the Magical Sahara.
ShortWheelbase.com – Jeep preparations.
Coordinates Converter – Lat/Long <-> UTM Conversion Tool.
__________________
A.B.
OasisPhoto.com – Images from the Magical Sahara.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 16 Apr 2004
Super Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,093
I must say the one time I ever got out my sand plates in four years of carrying them around - only a winch could pull me out from a 'vortex' deep inside an erg.
On any other occasion I find, reversing, pushing or (lately) snatch ropes much more effective.
For a solo vehicle which can't make use of the above they can be useful, but then who would venture into 'sand plate' terrain alone? In my experience people worry about getting stuck but very quickly get a 'feel' for their vehicles and within a day or two never get stuck - apart from surprise soft patches.
I am always looking to do it with the least amount of gear

Ch
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 17 Apr 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: granada,spain
Posts: 152
Here in the UAE we are in heavy dunes all of the time.Snatch towing is the easiest recovery but there are frequent times when SLs are used.However,if you are travelling with a group only one/two sets between you would be enough.If in doubt take them!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 21 Apr 2004
ctc ctc is offline
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Lincolnshire, England
Posts: 249
To add another positive voice. When driving in dunes, sand ladders are indispensable as back-up. Especially as it is often difficult or undesirable to get another vehicle into the situation you find yourself in.

Just back from the Ubari Sand Sea where they had one or two important outings!!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 15 May 2004
Gipper's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Banff,Canada/Poole,UK
Posts: 723
They are those items you if you dont have you will probably need - I would definitely take some and just make sure they are stowed out of the way, (but still accesable) so they dont interfere with your daily set up and take down. I used glass fibre 270mm x1200mm sand mats from uk company Bridging Ladders for off roading and 4x4 ing an excellent 4x4 accessory - used for a landrovers - 4 x 4 for sale (£67 a pair) they are very light (6kg a pair) and they supported a friends 3 ton landcruiser (he has a 400 litre diesel tank) on some very soft fech fech no problem, I thought they would snap for sure but I winched him onto them and they were fine, cheap, compact and easy to store. If you dont have a winch then KERR's are great bits of kit too, but with a Lightwieght on 7.50 XS - you shouldn't get stuck too much. The most important thing is too keep the weight to a minimum.
Cheers, Gipper.
__________________
Cheers
Grif

'09 Suzuki DR650
'00 Discovery Series 2 V8
'95 Defender 90 300 Tdi Overlander
http://gipperstravels.blogspot.com/

Last edited by Gipper; 18 Nov 2008 at 04:47.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 27 May 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 861
Where's he going with a 400L fuel tank??!!

By my estimates that gives him over 2000kms range?

Sam.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 27 May 2004
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 861
Sorry, getting back to the point about sand ladders.

Never had them, so never used them.

Have spent well over a year of my life in the soft stuff.

Sam.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 



Renedian Adventures

HU DVD Summer Special!

Now that summer is here, get On the Road! Take 30% off the Achievable Dream - On the Road! 2-DVD set until August 31 only. Get On the Road! Learn the tips to staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure!

Our veteran travellers share their tips (and great stories) for staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure.

"A fantastic, informative and inspirational DVD."

"It's brilliant - thank you very much!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'ONTHEROAD' on your order when you checkout.

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:39.