Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > 4 wheels > Equipping the Overland Vehicle
Equipping the Overland Vehicle Vehicle accessories - Making your home away from home comfortable, safe and reliable.
Photo by Daniel Rintz, Himba children, Namibia

The only impossible journey
is the one
you never begin

Photo by Daniel Rintz,
Himba children, Namibia



Overlanders Handbook - everything you need to know, available NOW!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10 Feb 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: london
Posts: 178
Iveco broken in india on side of road- can anyone help?

Hi basically in vasco
low bridge stopped to turn around and truck konked out! Put more fuel in case but was sure that was not the problem.

To indian mechanics went through fuel system the same as I did bleeding cracking of unions etc Still nothing!

Nice man from chevey took me around all truck mechanice nobody wants to know all busy or as I think afraid as its not the norm.


Has any body any clues one mechanic think chain might have slipped and the pumps out of time as fuel appears to be being pumped to injectors.

Mate coming tomorrow to have a look from agonda but looks like it will have to be towed mabey to customs as visa runs out 28th May

Not sure what happens then

any advice would be really welcome, any one know if you have to crack certain unions the manual says at least two

thanks one very depressed and hot

Mark

Last edited by Bertrand; 4 Feb 2015 at 10:25.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10 Feb 2010
palace15's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LONDONISTAN, England
Posts: 1,034
Hope your battery has a full charge firstly, highly unlikely the cambelt has slipped.
If you suspected it was out of fuel, then get a can of fuel, remove the fuel filter and fill it with fuel, now put the rest into the vehicles tank, not sure if you have a self bleed system on that vehicle but get someone reliable(not thick!) to crank the motor over till fuel seeps from the shortest piped injector that you have loosened, start from shortest to longest making sure your person cranking the motor stops cranking when you shout 'stop', when you have done them all, try and start the van with FULL THROTTLE if it starts keep the power on for a while in case any air is still in the system. Hope this is of help and keep the site informed to your progress......Good Luck.
__________________
'He who laughs last, was too slow to get the joke'
Never confuse the map with the journey.

Last edited by palace15; 10 Feb 2010 at 19:09.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11 Feb 2010
Dodger's Avatar
Large Golden Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BC, Canada
Posts: 1,085
Just generic advice ,as I'm not familiar with your Iveco ,but I have bled hundreds of diesel systems .
First make sure that the fuel line is not ruptured or leaking [and therefore sucking air in ].Work from the tank to the injector pump .
Then
Check the lift pump for crap blocking the filter .
Bleed the filter[s] ,
then the injector pump,
then one of the injectors.
If you have a solenoid operated fuel cut off, make sure it's operating correctly.

If you have fuel then the engine should start .
Some diesels have an air shut off as well for working in some environments ,it's unlikely you have one of these but check anyway .

Fuel might be contaminated with water [water always sinks to bottom of tank ].Undo fuel line and let some run out into a clear container so that you can see .

Always look for the simple stuff first .

Best of luck .
__________________
Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light. - Spike Milligan
"When you come to a fork in the road ,take it ! When you come to a spoon in the road ,take that also ."
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11 Feb 2010
HU Sponsor
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Derbyshire, UK
Posts: 161
Yes, do like the others have said and if it still doesn't start try squirting some Easy Start in the intake. (brake cleaner or WD40 will do if you can't get Easy Start).
Maybe it is (like others have said) water in the fuel or a damaged pipe and now you need to bleed the system. If it still won't fire, it should fire (or at least try) on Easy Start.
This is a bit of a bodge, but it should work or at least give you a clue of the problem.

Cheers,
Matt

PS, don't go nuts with the Easy Start!!
__________________
www.mattsavage.com
VIAIR - 12 & 24 volt compressors and systems. Tyre levers, Land Rover parts, Sand Tracks, Allisport Intercoolers, Overland Prep, and much more...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11 Feb 2010
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: St Neots, Cambs, UK
Posts: 8
Hi Mark,
This is a long shot but worth checking if all else fails.
The hydraulic timing chain tensioner on these engines relys on oil pressure to work And it is possable if the engine is stalled in gear for the crank to turn backwards enough to snatch on the chain tensioner causing a momentary slackness which allows the chain to jump on the distributor pump sprocket.
It will jump one or two teeth, enough to stop it running.
I have only heard of this happening twice on an Iveco 4x4 usually caused by starting the engine in gear and dumping the clutch before it's got up momentum resulting in a stall.
I have not heard of the cam sprocket jumping so your valve gear will be OK. It's just a case or removing the chain covers and refitting the chain to the correct timing.
I have fitted a manual tensioner to mine to overcome this but I think if your careful with your clutch the standard set up is just fine.

I hope this helps

Best of luck,
Andy
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12 Feb 2010
palace15's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LONDONISTAN, England
Posts: 1,034
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boanerges View Post
The hydraulic timing chain tensioner on these engines relys on oil pressure to work And it is possible if the engine is stalled in gear for the crank to turn backwards enough to snatch on the chain tensioner causing a momentary slackness which allows the chain to jump on the distributor pump sprocket.
It will jump one or two teeth, enough to stop it running.
I have only heard of this happening twice on an Iveco 4x4 usually caused by starting the engine in gear and dumping the clutch before it's got up momentum resulting in a stall.
Are you sure about this? surely if the chain or belt was to jump any sprocket it would cause all the timing gears to be out of sync. I once came across a small Renault van that passed the UK emissions test although it was 'white smokin' and the problem was caused by a previous mechanic fitting a timing belt one tooth out, the van appeared to be not suffering any lack of power, but was obviously not timed correctly.
__________________
'He who laughs last, was too slow to get the joke'
Never confuse the map with the journey.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12 Feb 2010
Dodger's Avatar
Large Golden Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BC, Canada
Posts: 1,085
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
Yes, do like the others have said and if it still doesn't start try squirting some Easy Start in the intake. (brake cleaner or WD40 will do if you can't get Easy Start).
Maybe it is (like others have said) water in the fuel or a damaged pipe and now you need to bleed the system. If it still won't fire, it should fire (or at least try) on Easy Start.
This is a bit of a bodge, but it should work or at least give you a clue of the problem.

Cheers,
Matt

PS, don't go nuts with the Easy Start!!
I've seen head gaskets blown ,water jackets pressurised and frost plugs blown out of engine blocks by the use of too much easy start .
Also make sure any glow plugs aren't operating when you spray the easy start .
If you are not sure what you're doing then DON'T USE IT !
It's only ever to be used sparingly .
__________________
Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light. - Spike Milligan
"When you come to a fork in the road ,take it ! When you come to a spoon in the road ,take that also ."
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12 Feb 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: london
Posts: 178
Hi
first of all thanks for all your replies its the norm from such a fab group of people but that just makes it better.

We cracked the unions and fuel seems fine. We removed the timing chain cover and tried to alighn as you would if setting the timing by inserting the metal pegs (drills and punchs into the timing holes within the sprockets. They do not align so this has suggested that its out of time and squirting fuel to late.

When we rotated the crank to check the valves all seemed good but we noticed that the tensioner is knackerd and returns back and fourth which it should'nt. This means that there is enough slack for the chain to bounce around the pump gear. Luckly it appears its has skipped around the pump and not slipped on the cam or the crank as we can get these two timing pegs in, but not in the pump

So it looks like new guides,tensioner which is 500 quid a pop. Howver could have happened in the desert or pakistan but it did'nt thankfully! and my head is appears to be intacked. If this works I have been a lucky boy.

If any body thinks I have missed anything or got it wrong please say!

thanks again mark
p.s every body says its a chain it could nt have happend but its appears it has
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12 Feb 2010
palace15's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LONDONISTAN, England
Posts: 1,034
What is the exact model of this vehicle? use Google seach to try for anymore ideas...........good luck.
__________________
'He who laughs last, was too slow to get the joke'
Never confuse the map with the journey.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12 Feb 2010
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cheshire, England
Posts: 59
Hi Mark

If it makes you feel any better, it happened to my 40.10WM camper once. I tried to start it with a partly flat battery after it'd stood for a couple of months, the hydraulic chain tensioner was weak and had drained of oil, it snatched badly on the starter and then turned over but wouldn't start even with good batteries.

The timing chain had jumped three teeth on the diesel pump drive sprocket.

I've only just caught up with your post or I would have suggested it earlier, sorry!

I'm now on my third tensioner! However, if you do some careful measuring you could get the old tensioner welded up solid for a get-you-home. It may rattle a bit as it's best to set it a little on the loose side, or the old one may manage once you reset the timing - I drove home from Andorra when my first one went weak, without damage, it was rattling all the way back to England but not excessively.

I have a spare I carry in the truck which is an old hydraulic one with the outer end drilled out, a nut welded on, and a bolt with a locknut screwed into it for manual adjustment of the piston. It's basically a homemade manual tensioner. A local workshop should be able to do something like it.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Nigel

PS: I'm still on the original chain and guides, if they look grooved but not worn through to the metal they will go again.

PPS: Have a look at:
Google Translate

..........and follow the links from 'Iveco's Technology' to the timing chain bit ('Kettenspanner' in German!)

Last edited by nigel_all; 12 Feb 2010 at 22:15. Reason: Add the PS
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 13 Feb 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: london
Posts: 178
what a great link

Hi Nigel
what a great link thank you, made me feel that we are down the right track, how inportant is it to change gears as well as chain, have ordered parts from uk!

thanks Mark
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 13 Feb 2010
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: France
Posts: 13
Hi Mark
Bit of a long shot but we have an appartment in south Goa and many friends there who could probaly help, Just an idea depending where you are but Agonda is not a million miles away, Plus we are due out in the next few weeks if we can help,
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 14 Feb 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Leicestershire,UK, or in my Iveco Daily 4x4
Posts: 474
Quote:
Originally Posted by marky116 View Post
Hi Nigel
what a great link thank you, made me feel that we are down the right track, how inportant is it to change gears as well as chain, have ordered parts from uk!

thanks Mark
Mark

Don't know if you've been getting the messages from the 4x4 daily list but the view seems to be to swap the gears aswell, the gears may be worn if the chain can jump

cheers

rich
__________________
Rich

Iveco Turbo Daily 4x4 40-10
Ex Owner LR101 300Tdi Ambi 'Tiggurr'
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 18 Feb 2010
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: nottingham uk/chur suisse
Posts: 96
timing chain

Hi
Had same problem last year on my iveco which had new chain & gears the lot. Happened a few times last year whilst in Africa.Got a new manual tensioner fitted it, worst job is removing thermostat housing & refitting(can be done without removing timing casing)No problems since or any damaged caused.
If your changing the chain then change the gears as you have to strip the front down anyway, the crank gear is very difficult to change however the guides are more important to change & can be done without removing the chain.
But as Nigel suggests a tapped bolt into the tensioner will convert it to manual tensioner & get you back on the road.

Hope this is of help.
Kevin
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 20 Feb 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: london
Posts: 178
Hi
your probably right but foolishly have not ordered new gears so hope all will be alright? Did ask iveco mechanics if I have left anything out but they never mentioned this.

Thanks Mark
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
road trip from europe to india TinoCamino Travellers Seeking Travellers 28 9 May 2008 10:31
iveco 40-10 seen on road to Vladivostok ! Phil Flanagan Equipping the Overland Vehicle 5 10 Sep 2007 16:36
China-India by side-car Sam&Karine West and South Asia 3 21 Jun 2007 20:27
Rear Shock Linkage Arm Broken Broken Andy White KTM Tech 2 30 Jan 2006 03:19
the right side of the road zenbiker TRAVEL Hints and Tips 1 10 Dec 2003 04:06

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

HU Event and other updates on the HUBB Forum "Traveller's Advisories" thread.
ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

HUBBUK: info

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:16.