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brand new iveco 40-10s

As these things are so good I thought people might be interested in this link!

http://www.zastavakamioni.hu/webset3...@@7@@248850017

they are building new ones, dont know what they cost though.

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Hang on, there are models that Iveco ought to have built but never did!
The LWB hi-top van looks particularly interesting.
Surprised to see a common rail 2.8 produce only 106 HP, must be as eternal as the original motor.
Live front axle does away with the CV boot problem, but perhaps ride quality is compromised.

Considering the new Daily 4x4 is a rebadged Scam (I kid not, it's a genuine company) with a narrower track, I'd like to know more about Zastava.

Hungary's in the EU now isn't it?
Anyone speak Hungarian?

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I'm still waiting to hear what happened to this 'exciting' new 'pre-production prototype' Iveco which Lex Defence announced in 2003. Wow, looks suspiciously like my 1991 40.10WM...........! And full-time 4x4 (?) with a 5-tonne GVW too......
Strangely I can find no further info after this press release. Anyone know differently?

http://www.lexdefence.co.uk/download...ingforce_3.pdf

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Belgian box

The box looks a lot like the version used by the Belgian Gendarmerie.

WMs have been permanent 4x4 for a couple of years now.

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looks suspiciously like my 1991 40.10WM
Could that have been (yet) another case of the brits being sold ancient designs as new?

So who's got that prototype now?
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Yes, except the Belgian bodies are integral with the cab. They seem to be a good source of WM's, I've seen quite a few around especially as camper conversions. The body is only the same width as the cab though.


"Could that have been (yet) another case of the brits being sold ancient designs as new?" - Yes, and the joke is they already turned it down 15 years ago!
But there's been no sign of 'the new one' after 2003 either.

Anyway, Luke, whose truck are you calling "ancient"......!!!

Nigel

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The body is only the same width as the cab though.
too narrow AND too damn short

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Anyway, Luke, whose truck are you calling "ancient"......!!!
I can't talk, my civilian Daily's only a '92
In fact, quite a lot of the candidates for good overland base vehicles seem to date from that era.

Anybody know of a modern (ish) version of the forward cab VW LT 4x4, which is about the only other van wide enough to sleep across unless you buy a new Merc.
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Smile If you like that, then see this!

http://www.autocar.co.uk/FirstDrive_....asp?RT=217975
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oh...

and click on 'gallery' for more!
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Saw the proto civvy Fiat earlier this year

Inboard disks, independant suspension, CTIS, modular bodywork, 3L common rail.....

Nice

Time for LR to wake up and discover just how cold and mouldy the coffee's got!


There's another market out here and it's not just the RR never go off road bunch (now well saturated by some big names)

Companies no longer win contracts by threatening to go under and having to lay hundreds off.

grumpf!
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could be handy for the crossing into mauritania!!!
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This.........

Found this link whilst surfing...... - doesn't actually say much.

http://www.britisharmedforces.org/ns...rmytoday3_.htm

Travelled with a couple in an Iveco 40.10wm Ambulance that had been converted for overland useage - great build quality, which I was shock by, coming from Iveco. And the quality of the prep/conversion work done mainly by Frogs Island was absolutely outstanding.

I even approached the couple to sound them out about selling but they were not ready - ended up buying what at that time was probably the only 'Pegasus' - ambulance version of the 'Wolf' in private ownership. Planned to ceonvert but changes in circumstances - ie. kids, forced us to part company.

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great build quality, which I was shock by, coming from Iveco.
Why should you be shocked? It's not a Fiat, even though it's the same group.

Car manufacturers know they can get away with cutting corners, profits are high and image (sales) are made by advertising; disgruntled customers don't get heard, (some spend a fortune on making their car worthwile too don't they Chris, when it should have been built like that in the first place)

Truck manufacturers know that the driver is rarely the owner and will flog the truck as hard as he/she can. They know that the truck costs the owner a lot if it breaks down and that if they lose one customer it could mean a fleet of 50 trucks bought elsewhere. (or more if there's a defence contract in play)

They "engineer" their trucks, whereas cars are just "designed".

Except Leyland, where they haven't had a clue for so many years it's not surprising how that's turned out.

I just wish Iveco has concentrated a bit more on the paint quality in the early 90s...


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From experience

Hi Luke and all

my experience came from working for some rime in a Iveco Ford Dealership - main problems were rust and reliability - which seemed to vary from year to year - apparently dependent on years they opted for cheaper or more expensive sheet steel and parts suppliers - overall though a good, infact well underated van/truck.

Would definatelty consider a 40.10wm - they are the best of their kind - only thing that comes close is a Mog/Man - but they are
in a different class.

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Not a Fiat, Luke?

My WM ambulance (RHD British Army trial, one of the 8) has "Iveco Fiat SPA" on the VIN plate whereas the civilian 40.10w's have "Iveco SPA"; there are some parts on mine which are different from the 'W's such as rear brake cylinders which I had to have shipped in from Turin and are marked "FIAT" on the casting. However the cab is heavy steel frame (complete with full roll cage!) with glassfibre/composite bodywork and therefore is probably the only rust-resistant Iveco model they made!!

Interesting to hear of the one you met up with, Chris, I know of some of the other seven British ambulance models but not all of them. Mine was one of the last two sold off by Iveco UK in 1998 but no, sorry, it's not for sale again either! Three came on the market this year, an original green one and a converted yellow one sold by Keith Gott's L/R specialists, the third red cab/green body unconverted one has just been sold to a guy in Gloucestershire and is now also being converted into a camper. Linda and I love the old bus, it's just the right size for us two, not the most powerful engine in the world but 100kph, not too noisy, fair fuel economy and easy to handle. Just about fits into a supermarket space, just under 3m high for ferries, the ambulance body is well-insulated and tough enough to knock the canopy off a French shop and survive having the roof rack ripped off on a low Paris underpass (er - allegedly......!) Makes a good grandstand at races too. It's quicker and much more stable than our mate's Unimog U1300 camper but we have to watch the weight more closely as it's only a 4.5 tonner with a heavy body.

We met someone with a recently-bought white 130 Wolf ambulance camper project at a military show around the Warrington(?) area in April '03 - that wouldn't be you, would it Chris?

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Hi Nigel

I think the Iveco was purchased from Froga Island.

No wasn't me in the 130 - I sold mine a few years ago - according to a bloke from Marshalls, who built the 130's, mine was the only one built with aircon.

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