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mcagol 21 Jan 2008 12:16

200tdi, 300tdi, td5 and 2.4l Ford transit
 
Hi All,

I've found lots of information on comparisoms of the classic land rover engines 200tdi, 300tdi and the TD5.

And have seen the pros and cons of each.

Does anyone have information on the new ford 2007 2.4l engine and how it compares to the TD5 and 300tdi.

Also does anyone know if it's has the same electronics as the TD5 or less.

Thanks for all info

gilghana1 21 Jan 2008 13:18

Arguably it has more electronics, as it is a common rail diesel, whereas the TD5 is a unit injector type engine. I drove one almost a year ago and was highly impressed by the tractability of the engine. The anti-stall allowed it to climb a 45 slope with no feet on the pedals and backwards!!! But I feel that Landrover have effectively rolled over and shown Toyota/Nissan their soft belly in submission ;-) The 300Tdi production has stopped I believe, so there is no longer a Landrover for the developing world. I got quite excited about rumours of a new Defender 14 months ago or so, only to find it consisted of a transit engine and a new bonnet <BG>
I would have one if I lived in the UK, but for Africa.... No. For expedition use, I would be a bit worried. Our electricians here can diagnose a 1HZ engined cruiser with diagnostics consisting of an interior bulb on a bit of wire, but a durotorque (?) would have them well stumped. I am not a luddite as we also have electronic CAT equipment and Renault trucks, but only because we have good dealer backup/diagnostics and parts access. Overlanding is a bit different. Eventually I reckon bush fitters will adapt as more modern vehicles penetrate African markets, and it is happening to an extent, but I would probably be looking for as recent a Tdi300 as possible if I was in UK and looking for an overland vehicle. I guess Diesel Jim or other Landrover guys would be better placed to tell you if there are any issues with the 2.4 cropping up.
Cheers,
gil

diesel jim 21 Jan 2008 15:57

^^^^ what he said.


the 2.4 has a lot of electronics, although probably not much more than the Td5. but as it's so new there isn't much in the way of aftermarket electronic diagnostic kit available for the like of us general unwashed public to buy.

For the Td5, you can get a Nanocom unit, which plugs into the diagnostic socket and pretty much does all that the dealer can do, and you can upload different ECU maps to the engine (if you have them in the first place), so that pretty much makes the Td5 as easy to work on as a 200/300 with a lot more power.

For road use, yeah, the 2.4 is nice, but why they went smaller with the engine i don't know! should have gone to 2.8 or 3.0

a few of the people on some of the LR forums i frequent have the new 2.4 and swear by them (time will tell if they start swearing at them! LOL!) and use them off road a lot.

Arthurvdv 21 Jan 2008 16:05

300 Tdi is still brandnew available in South Africa.....

2.4 is less then 2.5 or 3.0, but this engine has much more power.......

Even the bonnet is much higher then the Td5, its not high enough.....if you go offroading a little seriuos, your front axle will damage your oil-lit underneeth your engine.........

For overland, find a 300Tdi.

Arthur

diesel jim 21 Jan 2008 20:22

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Originally Posted by Arthurvdv (Post 169950)

Even the bonnet is much higher then the Td5, its not high enough.....if you go offroading a little seriuos, your front axle will damage your oil-lit underneeth your engine.........

For overland, find a 300Tdi.

Arthur

I've heard this... on left hand drive models, if you give it too much beans in the rough stuff, the axle/top of diff/propshaft can smack and break the oil sump.....


good design....

gilghana1 22 Jan 2008 06:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by diesel jim (Post 169997)
I've heard this... on left hand drive models, if you give it too much beans in the rough stuff, the axle/top of diff/propshaft can smack and break the oil sump.....


good design....


Wow... that ranks up there with the timing belt and gearbox issues. Come on Landrover get your act together!!!

If they can build vehicles that by all accounts work very well (Disco 3) then I reckon this proves they have effectively abandoned the Defender... Go buy a Santana.

Roman 22 Jan 2008 11:49

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Come on Landrover get your act together!!!
Gil, your prayer has been heard! LR has been sold to Tata Motors, with all those timing belt, gearbox and now the axle issues. Here's what it's going to look like soon:


http://www.carskerala.com/gif/sumo.jpg

gilghana1 22 Jan 2008 12:49

Maybe the Defender replacement will be a telcoline pickup mated with an Indica.... Rudyard Kipling would be spinning in his grave <BG>

Joking apart Tata are doing REALLY well in Ghana, so we bought 7 of their 407 light trucks... When we checked them we found one had a bloody great crack in the turbo housing which had been welded up!!! Brand new vehicle. Then all 7 had to have the starter motors replaced.
"When I first opened the bonnet and noticed an in-built light and switch for the engine bay, I should of realized what I was to come." - Tata pickup owner on carsurvey.org!!

Marriage made in heaven I reckon:confused1:


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